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[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So do you feel the naming was inherently misleading which led you astray? Because incognito mode absolutely kept things 'sneaky' in terms of hiding the things I look up from other people who use the same computer. Which is specifically what Google said it would do and showed examples of in TV commercials. And it definitely did (and still does) that.

I'm also struggling to understand what you feel you 'trusted' Google on exactly. What did they tell you that you believed but, as it turns out, was not true?

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, I was aware of the risk thanks to previous reports and my work in the cybersecurity space. I'm talking about the average user.

The name is deceptive, and explicitly calling out a list of parties that may see your traffic without naming themselves is deceptive.

It's akin to a guard saying beware doors 1 and 3 - there are dragons behind them. If you hear this from an authority that would know, you'd probably assume there's not a dragon behind door 2, or they would have said so.

The perception of "the man on the street" is a common legal standard that I'd argue Google has fallen short of here.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aww man I thought I found one! Guess I'm back down to zero people.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No thoughts on the perception they seem to be crafting very deliberately?

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I always saw Google as a website too. So if I type 'giant donkey dicks' into the url/search bar, then Google is obviously going to know my preference for large donkey dicks. Since I googled it.

Or are these hypothetical common folk typing in full urls themselves or something? If it's auto-filling in any way, that's thanks to Google and they can only provide it if aware what has been typed so far.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That lack of delineation is also an issue, but a separate one. That said, I'd think an average user would think doing a Google search from an incog tab would be anonymised and not tied to them because of the privacy incog grants (or more accurately, doesn't). There's reasonable arguments to be made on either side of this point, but I think that Google have been intentionally misleading - which is now creating problems for them, motivating this change.

Again, all the information Google present when opening an incog tab would lead someone to the conclusion that Google won't track them. Unless I'm mistaken, when this came up years back, Google explicitly denied tracking people in incognito mode, and they're only changing their disclaimers now in response to a multi-billion dollar lawsuit.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If Google specifically denied tracking that's definitely misleading, but I'm unable to find a source for it and don't recall it myself.

Saying that the sites you visit track you would absolutely lead me to believe that search engines sites are included. Since it would not be possible to provide results for the search without knowing what was searched for by the user. And where would they send those results to without knowing the users IP or other form of network address? It just doesn't make any sense to think a search engine would not know who searched for what, since it is required for them to function.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You don't visit the site when you punch a query into your browser search bar.

Ultimately, Google are making the change they are because they know how deceptive they were being. Google knows it, I know it, Google seems concerned the courts know it, I'm not sure why you'd choose to dig in on this one.