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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The problem is that wild animals are being killed so an unelected king in a democratic country can have his guards wear fancy hats

[–] li10@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I’d like the monarchy abolished as well tbh, but their hats are towards the bottom of the list of reasons why.

That’s also not gonna be Stephen Fry’s point, as good as he can be about some issues he’s also a known monarchist.

[–] mannycalavera 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

an unelected king

Are kings ever elected? Like, what's an example of an elected king? 😅

[–] fristislurper@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe surprising, but yes. The pope is an example. Historically it was not super uncommon, nowadays Malaysia and Cambodia for instance still have an elected monarch.

[–] mannycalavera 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And in the context of the UK?

[–] fristislurper@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh it is completely irrelevant for Fry's point. Just thought it was interesting.

[–] mannycalavera 1 points 10 months ago
[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Chances are (and I'm up for being corrected on this). The bears are being culled to maintain population levels.

In all areas of the world, human interaction with nature means we've upset the usual ecosystem balance. We've moved predator/prey ecosystems, we've changed their sizes and we've decided there are big areas we just don't want the predators. Culling/management is necessary to minimise our further impact.

These bears are going to be shot with or without the furs being used. They're not being killed so someone can have the fancy hats.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Perhaps not the best source

Freedom of information act requests have revealed that the UK government does not know the details of the supply chain for the fur it buys, as MP John Nicolson pointed out during the debate:

"The evidence is that most bears in Canada are killed by trophy hunters who know there is a market for the skins. Canadian Government culls are infrequent and only authorised to kill the small number of bears straying too close to human habitation. The MoD has no idea about the provenance of the dead bears it buys. The evidence, again, is that they are often nursing mothers. When they are killed to make a hat, their cubs starve to death."

Canadian bear hunt policies are largely economically driven, despite many questioning the financial benefits over ecotourism investments. Black bear hunting trips cost thousands of dollars and, since the Government of Ontario has reintroduced the spring bear hunt, non-resident trophy hunters are paying to bait and kill bears for sport as they emerge from hibernation. Rather than being a by-product of wildlife management, bear pelts from Canada mostly come from recreational hunts.