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I came across a post in a Michigan community that mentioned this, and i asked if it really happened because it seems so crazy that Republican collaborators would directly mail in fake documents saying Trump won states he lost and I hadn't even really heard about it.

But this is exactly what happened, as I found out today after looking for more corroborating sources:

https://people.com/politics/forged-documents-declaring-trump-pence-winners-sent-to-national-archives/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Trump republicans in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada, and New Mexico forged false elector certificates and actually mailed in those forged electoral certificates to the national archives, that were examined and found to be forgeries, with trump, Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman as the ring leaders calling hundreds of Republicans to ask them to directly commit election fraud and forgery.

Some of them said yes. A bunch of them said yes, actually.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If this is actual novel research/data aggregation that you’ve done, sounds like maybe you should contact a journalist or media outlet that you trust.

[–] confused_code_monkey@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This fraud has been known about and even covered fairly well by some news outlets. For example, check out the CNN special report, Trumping Democracy An American Coup, for a lot of details surrounding it and other aspects of Trump's attempts to retain power. It's been a while since I saw it, but if I recall correctly, a really cool thing about this report is that all/most of the politicians interviewed are Republicans. i.e. It's not just a Democrat-spun narrative.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

What surprises me is the fact of how little this was actually broadcasted. There was thousands of reports on MSNBC and CNN about how there was claims to be election fraud, but generally it was covering the other side saying it was done to them not actual evidence showing that they did the fraud.

I blame entertainment news as the reasoning for it, they had been much more apt to cover the international conflicts then what's happening domestically because it's attracting more viewers

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it is, I just read a couple articles and then found the Wikipedia page.

I think other people knew about it, but for some reason aren't making this as known as it should be. Or perhaps the American political process is not understood well or broadly enough that direct forgery and fraud isn't making the impact it should when the story is reported on?

I am confused as to why this is not a bigger story or a headline that the Democrats are running with, maybe because there haven't been any convictions related to this yet?

But thanks for bringing that up, I want to look into that and which media I should contact.

Because more people should be reporting this.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

My $.02: media companies are interested in perpetuating the political horse race, because it is good for ad sales, so they softball a lot of the really heinous shit, so he looks at least something a normal-ish politician to large swaths of the American electorate who blindly consume their TV news.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

A significant portion of them are also owned by right wing companies. Give it a Google.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

This is absolutely the case. Also the head of all the corporate news sewer factories are all republiQan so. Y'know. They lie, cheat, steal. Etc.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Could play a part. I definitely have to look more into why this is not being reported even as much as the Georgia telephone call was reported, which I also don't think was covered heavily enough.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It was reported on years ago.