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I came across a post in a Michigan community that mentioned this, and i asked if it really happened because it seems so crazy that Republican collaborators would directly mail in fake documents saying Trump won states he lost and I hadn't even really heard about it.

But this is exactly what happened, as I found out today after looking for more corroborating sources:

https://people.com/politics/forged-documents-declaring-trump-pence-winners-sent-to-national-archives/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Trump republicans in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada, and New Mexico forged false elector certificates and actually mailed in those forged electoral certificates to the national archives, that were examined and found to be forgeries, with trump, Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman as the ring leaders calling hundreds of Republicans to ask them to directly commit election fraud and forgery.

Some of them said yes. A bunch of them said yes, actually.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Like nobody would notice the difference or double-check the numbers. "Oh, I guess he did win after all. I could've sworn he didn't, but this document here says he did, so that's that."

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago

I think that's why if I heard rumblings about this before, I didn't clock it as so monumental because what happened is so absurd.

Trump is guilty of insurrection and rape, and those are a couple flagpole reasons in my head that he shouldn't be any sort of political candidate, but he also directly committed electoral fraud in that Georgia phone call and apparently directed Republicans to mail in forged election certificates.

It's just so crazy that I didn't think he and his campaign committed straight up, direct electoral forgery and electoral fraud in multiple states, which they apparently did.

"The bigger the lie", I guess.

[–] blightbow@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It was a multi-prong attack. The goal was to generate uncertainty in the validity of results certified by the states, and create a justification for Mike Pence to delay certification.

Run a search on mike pence delay certification fake electors and take your pick.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Although "multi-prong attack" makes it sound like they were somewhat competent when in fact the whole thing was a gross charade of competence performed by the most idiotic dipshits god ever mistakenly crapped out on the earth. And even then it's still all this.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Being unable to carry out your plot doesn't absolve you from guilt. The intention was clearly there and that's all that matters. The people in charge were trying to commit a coup and disregard the democratic process.

Make no mistake, they had a very complex plan to seize power and it nearly worked. Had Mike Pence played ball there's a very real chance they would've succeeded and it would've ended up going to SCOTUS who'd stop any recounts ala Bush v. Gore circa 2000. This wasn't a one-off plan, this is the rightwing plot hatched by shadowy billionaire-funded thinktanks, remember their fascination with George Soros? They'll try again. America is in very real danger.

All the ringleaders are traitors and should be made examples of, they should all swing.