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[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Keep in mind things have changed over the decades, with a general push towards a public health code for establishmends of "free bathrooms, free tap water".

Historically, Germany used to be famous for having only a few stops along the highway, with toilets you had to pay for. Tourist traps along France, the Netherlands, Poland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, used to let restaurants and bars charge for bathroom use, patron or no patron. Gas stops varied wildly, from free bathrooms, to "hole in the ground" ones, to "ask the manager for a key" ones. Rest areas along highways tended to have just a free "hole in the ground" type toilet, and it was up to you to avoid touching anything, then wiping off your shoes .

As for public bathrooms (outside an establishment), it still varies from place to place. Public events are required to put a number of free porta-potties, tourist traps may want to either finance installations with a fee, or reduce the number of free-standing turds in the bushes.

Still, over time the general move has been from "pee posts" for sailors to freely urinate onto, or people going down some stairs to sea/river level and taking a dump right there, to having public bathrooms with a "donation" policy, to public bathrooms with free piss walls/areas and a self-cleaning booth for a nominal fee.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As fas as I know there's nothing keeping restaurants or bars from charging to use the toilets. Also as far as I know, and I've used public toilets in restaurants and bars in most of the countries you list many, many times over several decades, those are exceedingly rare and absolutely not the norm. That was true 40 years ago and it's true today.

The type of toilet is a different thing and yeah, until maybe the late 90s a lot of Europe was no stranger to squatting toilets. Honestly, for pubs and places where you're mostly disposing of the drinks you're having, I'm not even sure they're a bad idea. Less accessible and whatnot, but I'm not sure a sit down toilet with a carefully developed patina of beer urine developed over years of sloppy drunken aim is a safer or cleaner proposition.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Right now it depends on the health code, which depends on each city's council and particular situation (like, if the city has no potable tap water, then it makes no sense to have a regulation to serve it for free).

On the EU level, there has been back and forth about:

  • free restrooms for patrons
  • free public restrooms
  • free tap water at bars and restaurants
  • free feminine hygiene products at restrooms (along with toilet paper)

It's an ongoing debate, that on one side would provide all of the above for basic humanitarian reasons, but on the other side has restaurant owners up in arms about extra expenses.

40 years ago

That's about when I saw a guy take a dump directly into the river instead of going to the "pay what you wish" bathroom. They've remodeled the piers since then, removed the stairs going down to water level, put a couple free public restrooms along the way, and enacted stricter regulations that turned the river from foamy brown to murky green.