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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 63 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It was a waste of time beginning to end. If they were smart, they were doing this for a quick cash grab. If they were dumb, then they legitimately thought this would work long-term.

[–] EarthlingHazard@lemm.ee 49 points 10 months ago

Whatever their motives are I'm glad it brought the interoperability conversation into the spotlight.

[–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago

It's a marketing and publicity stunt, kinda like Nothing's fiasco with the Sunbird app. The goal is to get people talking about them and come out looking like the good guy underdog vs Apple. To be fair their plan is probably working judging by how many people are jumping out in front of Beeper and condemning "Big Apple", even though Apple is just doing what any service provider should be doing.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I just don't understand how anyone could base a company on an exploit. That is what it is in the end - the found an exploit and took advantage of it. Seems like the logical thing would be for apple to immediately close the exploit.

The answer is right there. If Apple wanted iMessage on Android it would be there. It isn't so they don't want it.

[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Beeper isn't relying on this tho. It's whole USP is unified messaging and it wants iMessage.

[–] JWBananas@startrek.website 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Adversarial interoperability is not exploitative.

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes it is when they're not allowed to

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would you characterize reactOS as exploitive?

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 1 points 10 months ago

No, it's not exploiting any active service for Microsoft

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

It was a waste of time beginning to end.

Sounded like the original effort was hobby reverse engineering for fun by a smart school kid and then Beeper went ahead and tried to turn it into a product.

[–] On@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It's almost like when companies try to build a wall, some people will try to break in, even for the sake of it, maybe the thrill of it, even if it worked for a minute.

Whatever their intentions, I'm glad they did. Apple got to strengthen their infrastructure (somewhat, users are still using it with access to a Mac), and it brought messaging interoperability conversation to congress.

People seem to forget Apple founders were doing this shit too. They build a blue box and sold it too.

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2015/11/the-phone-phreaks-and-steve-jobs-wozniaks-discovery-of-the-little-blue-box-recounted-in-fivethirtyeight-espn-films-short/

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 2 points 10 months ago

That's why nobody thinks the 16 year old who found the method is in the wrong here. It's really cool they found that, especially at that age. Now to build an entire product off of an exploit while loudly announcing it is just stupid.

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago

And a lot of people went to jail for phreaking, I guess the beeper guys are lucky.