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[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oaths are generally not legally binding. For instance, you can not swear to tell the truth in court and perjury is still a thing. The swearing in is just a formality.

Oaths are, as always, dependent upon the character of the person taking them and social consequences about breaking them.

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is there case law on that? I’m not aware of anyone that testifies before a court without being sworn in?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What I'm saying is not that you can opt not to swear in, but that there are ways to commit perjury even if you have not.

In my experience, anyone who takes the stand is sworn in, it's just a formality that is not the reason for perjury.

Sort of an "all dogs have 4 legs but not everything with 4 legs is a dog" thing.

I should hold off on posting until I make more sense

Edit: actually I'm full of shit, and you generally get charged with something lesser than perjury if you're not under oath.

If you give a false statement but you are not under oath or make false claims without knowledge or malice, your statement will likely not reach the level of perjury charges

Well that's it for me for a while lol

[–] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This site disagrees with you:

Only witnesses who make false statements under oath can be convicted of perjury, and they must also have intentionally misled the court. If you give a false statement but you are not under oath or make false claims without knowledge or malice, your statement will likely not reach the level of perjury charges.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/the-truth-about-perjury.html#:~:text=Only%20witnesses%20who%20make%20false,the%20level%20of%20perjury%20charges.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I edited that in. Did not realize it was a lesser charge. Time to sit the next few plays out.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hadn’t thought about this. If you refuse to swear an oath in court, can they find you in contempt? Or they just like ok, well we tried, let’s move on.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure refusal would result in a contempt charge, because it turns out it is a major factor in actually charging you with perjury

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So then not what you said earlier?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Yes, hence my edit.