I come from an ex commie country, grew up as a kid, and man... not having jeans buyable anywhere, not having Coke, bananas being a black market delicacy, and being hauled in every food queue so my parents could get a few more kgs of flour and sugar on their allowance rationing cards gets old fast. As a kid.

I can't imagine living through that now as an adult.

Gladly, my country is now an economic powerhouse, as all ex commie countries became, after the fall of the Iron Curtain. The factories were so good and so competitive that they instantly killed US, Japan and Korea's economies.

You might have heard of us, we are the booming economies of Eastern Europe. One single country here has 50x the GDP and HDI of USA and Canada combined. /s

But seriously, fuck communism. If you haven't lived through its eternal socialism transitional phase, you should try giving up your creature comforts for an utopia. Yes, shit is bad now. But you need to experience socialism first hand to see how worse it can get.

You think the rich taking over is bad? How about the rich taking over and getting your intetnet censored, and given "citizen points", for dissing out others or participating in social services? Citizen points without which you can't even buy train tickets. Cause that's what China does.

How about being consider a public menance inciting against the system for saying we are doing communism wrong? How about being hauled to jail for being unemployed? The legal term here was parasitism, and no, instagram and youtube doesn't count and LLCs don't exist for your income, you need a job the state considers a real job. How about the police pulling your ass over at 23:00, because you are not at home sleeping for tommorow's glorious workday? How about needing a special exemption (ie: as an actor) to grow long hair as a dude?

Fuck communism. Fuck /u/spez, but really, really fuck communism.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also grew up in a communist country, and I enjoyed my life there as did vast majority people. People like you got theirs and you don't care how many people got fucked in the process, and how many people are being exploited right now to keep your comfortable life style.

A recent study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false

This is what people like you are cheering.

[–] anakronos@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your study is literally saying that deindustrialization was an indirect cause of more direct social causes

Both countries experienced deindustrialisation, but social and economic policies have offset Hungary’s more immense industrial employment loss. The results are relevant to health crises in other regions, including the deaths of despair plaguing the American Rust Belt

I didn't "get my life" amigo, I was six when communism fell. I got two hours of TV, cold winters with centealized heating cut out, rolling blackouts. I don't regret that.

I don't think it's unfair to not want to suffer through a shit life. I don't think a lack of viable products (thus, deindustrialization once you can't compete) is a cause of mortality, but a consequence. If your country built wooden train toys while the imperialist pigs rolled with the TGV, of course they also worked on extending your lifespan.

And they probably made CNC machines to make nice wooden train toys too, instantly, unlike your shitty handmade ones. So of course you can't even export them. And of course you have no chance of making CNC machines either, since you had no viable precision mechanics industry or cheap computers.

I don't think the rich should suffer because I don't have it as good.as them. Fuck em, there always were rich people.

And while I don't like rich people, the idea that everybody should return to communism and suffer through my very bleak childhood, simply so nobody has better things is silly.

That's a cult promising redemption. That's Guyana, or Élan school. Suffer now for better things later. We all suffer.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

The fact is that things got a lot worse for a whole lot of people after communism fell. Also, while people in eastern Europe got help from US, places like Kazakhstan and the rest of other former republics never got any help and things have never recovered there. Of course, once again you don't give a shit about other people. You just care about you.

What's unfair is to say that it's ok for others to suffer through life for your benefit. That's what capitalism is, and that's what you cheer.

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