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OpenAI employees really, really did not want to go work for Microsoft (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] random65837@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

As a long time techie, and somebody that's run Linux as my main OS for over 20yrs, hard to hate MS more than me, but, MS is a very different company now than in years past. They've come pretty far from the days of Ballmer destroying it, directly involved with more Open source shit now, Azure is literally Linux, they have people working physically with Canonical on all the WSL shit, they're trying at least.

Still wouldn't run garbage Windows for shit, but credit where credit is due.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

WSL is EEE in a nutshell. I don't know why that is held out as an example of how Microsoft has changed.

[–] Patch 8 points 11 months ago

It's just fancy virtualization. It's not really wildly different from KVM/QEMU going the other way.

It's hard to get too excited about it. It's not going to replace real Linux builds, which dominate the server space in a way which is never going to be meaningfully challenged by "Linux in a VM under Windows".

Windows implementing WSL is their concession that they've lost the server market and they aren't getting it back, and if they don't want to lose the workstation market as well they need to make sure that Linux development can happen easily on Windows boxes. Their business case for it is clear, and it's really not got anything to do with classic EEE tactics.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

What are you basing this on, exactly?

Windows has only gotten shittier, Azure is a fucking joke, Office 365 leaks like a sieve. Just about everything MS has touched in the last two decades has been abject garbage. WSL is a tragedy. Teams???

What has MS done that's been praise worthy? I don't get it.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

IMO they're still awkward and cludgy as ever, but less imperialistic. Maybe its just harder to corner all the markets these days.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is wrong with Azure?

I’m a software developer in the UK and we use Azure and my manager (the owner) and a much smarter engineer than me, is incredibly happy with Azure, much more than AWS or GCP.

[–] linuxdweeb@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I keep seeing stuff like this but I don't get it. Azure is Linux because if it was Windows only, nobody would use it. It's a shit service filled with tricks to lock customers in.

It's obvious that WSL is EEE. It only exists because of their focus on the cloud, and they realized that Windows was a poor dev environment for Linux software. Microsoft is directly incentivized to kill Linux so people get even more locked in to their ecosystem.

Is the reason you have a good impression of them because you use VS Code? That's not even open source. The proprietary parts are all more spyware and walled garden shit designed to lock you in.

Or maybe you're not a dev, and it's because you like Xbox gamepass? That's an anticompetitive attempt to monopolize the game industry. It's unsustainable and designed to price out the competition and lock in customers, which is classic monopoly shit. It's the best deal in the game industry today, but prices will shoot up when they get the market share they want.

The golden rule still applies today, as it did 20+ years ago: never trust Microsoft

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

They say gamepass is profitable!

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How exactly is azure Linux? That doesn’t make sense in any way.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right, having a handful of services built on Linux (which needs clarity on exactly what that means in the second article) and the fact that most enterprise workloads already are on Linux so they obviously have a higher percentage than windows isn’t some MS being a huge proponent of Linux.

[–] starman@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is a distro called Azure Linux

[–] linuxdweeb@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's also a distro called Hannah Montana Linux, but that doesn't make Hannah Montana literally Linux.

[–] starman@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well, you got a point there