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Unless it defederates like beehaw keeps doing.
What's going on with beehaw? I'm a bit out of the loop.
Beehaw is a community that wants to create a specific type of experience for its users, it wants to create a safer space and has stricter rules.
I think it’s personally a non-issue that people get riled up about. They’ve temporarily defederated from lemmy.world because of the large spikes in new users and wanting to have the moderation tools necessary to handle that while keeping their community the way they want it.
There is a subset of new Lemmy users who think this experience needs to be Reddit 2.0, that it needs to be perfect and totally smooth for new users, or else it will fail?
Personally, I don’t agree. I don’t want Lemmy to be Reddit at all. In the last month, I’ve found that I didn’t realize just how bad my Reddit experience had become. I’m okay with the experience being a little rough around the edges here and adjusting together. It has become obvious based on how good my interactions were here. How solid and interesting the content was. I’m not fiending for my specific subreddits, I’m good to move on and find new areas to focus on the internet.
I have a separate account for Beehaw, all the iOS apps already have way way better functionality than the Reddit official app, I can seamlessly switch between accounts. It’s been absolutely amazing to see how much this site and experience has evolved in one month. I’m super excited for the future here.
One thing I don’t miss is the "culture"… I hope this shift into the fediverse frees comment sections of the endless same dumb low effort puns, and even worse puns in the replies. Or fucking award speeches in comment edits, the same shitty jokes that nobody likes but somehow still perpetuate…
I really look forward to something new
I'm late to the conversation. Yeah, that's what I hated about Reddit. I've been using it since 2009, and I noticed that it got progressively worse the moment they introduced karma.
I too like the rough around the edges. Little tricks and nuances I’ve picked up. Makes it fun.
All in all, they have some of the biggest communities for gay folks, Trans folks, and other minority groups. Lots of trolls from large open instances were shit posting lots of hateful crap in those communities.
The Lemmy’s mod tools are still kind of janky and they couldn’t keep pace with the toxic trolling, so they made the call to defederate from instances like Lemmy.world temporarily, until some new mod tools get built.
All the admins from the defederated instances get it and they all appear to be on the same page.
That said, users got pissed because beehaw has one of the best tech communities. So now people on Lemmy.world don’t have their posts / comments show up in those communities.
Basically, they had two shitty options, and they went with protecting the vulnerable minority.
It’s temporary.
Beehaw defederated from other instances as users were getting around bans by creating new accounts on those instances. The admins in question are talking about how to address this.
Federating bans?
Right now there is not even a notification to the original instance that an user has been banned on some other one's community. That means people can follow the rules on their home instance, like by not participating, while freely breaking them on federated ones, without their home instance admins ever knowing... until some other instance's admin either contacts them directly, or defederates the whole instance.
Lemmy isn't really set up for that. Its current structure is such doesn't allow for that, and developers are still trying to do more for new user verification.
This is something that larger websites spend a ton of money and developer time to fight, which is something Lemmy currently doesn't have.
Hell we don't even federate usernames which I find extremely problematic. But we'll get there... I hope.
How would that work though?
Post by beehaw admins
Basically, due to the size and open registrations on some large instances, Beehaw admins decided to defederate because they didn’t have the manpower or systems in place to deal with the large volume of content.
I think I read that they have 4 people running everything and 2 aren't techy.
Come on, let's be adults about it. Beehaw has always had stricter registration requirements, but didn't defederate until just now. The problem was that they simply don't have the tools needed to moderate such a huge influx of people from uncurated instances and it was interfering with the culture they prided themselves on.
I'm not a member of Beehaw, but I can respect them knowing both what they want to be and when their limited ability to enforce it meant drastic measures to preserve the community. This is one of the good things about federation: they're allowed to do that and we don't need to switch platforms entirely!
Wish everyone luck going forward.
They are overly sensitive special snowflakes that pipi their pampers if anybody that doesn't have 100% the same opinions as them is allowed to use the internet
Motives aside, the point is one account won't always get you everywhere. Doing a little research before picking a home instance can't hurt.