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Mod That Makes ‘Baldur’s Gate 3’ Less Gay Gets Nuked After Players Revolt (www.vice.com)
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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

"Remove all of them" implies a good question: what is "all" of them? All mods changing the models of characters? Changing the models of characters to make them more conventionally attractive? Less conventionally attractive? Changing the gender of characters? Changing men to women? Changing women to men? All mods that change skin color? Changing white skin to black skin? Changing black skin to white skin? All mods changing sexual orientation? Straight to queer? Queer to straight?

I think you should just allow everything, as long as it isn't associated with hate speech or discrimination. Which is exactly what's happening here.

[–] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

No mods ever allowed, no modifications to any licensed content, in any kind, only vanilla play through, and only one time

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

All of them meaning all of the mods that clearly do things out of bigotry like turning black characters white, erasing gay characters, erasing trans issues, etc.

This isn't a particularly hard moral or ethical question to anyone who isn't trying to allow hateful content to spread.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Just checking, so if a mod was released that made a straight character gay, that would be fine, but one that made a gay character straight wouldn't be? Or would both be fine? Assuming no description for either, nothing but content.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The big difference is that when mods remove a single gay character, it's always the only gay character in the game.

If the mod adding gay characters turns all the straight characters gay, that's erasure. If the new gay character has dialogue that is hateful toward straight people, it's still bigotry.

Adding representation to a game that has none is fine. Removing representation entirely isn't.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

So what if there are 3 gay characters, and there are 3 separate mods that each make one of the characters straight. Each single one does not remove representation, but having all 3 installed together would. Do you ban these 3 mods?

I don't know, I just feel like this is such an arbitrary choice. If you reduce the number to 2 gay characters in a game, with 2 different mods, is that still okay or should both be banned again?

Is it really a difference if you reduce the number of gay characters to 1? What if you split the mod up into two parts, one just removing all sexual remarks (effectively with the intention of making the char asexual), and another simply also adding hetero (so effectively making the char bi) remarks, and you then combine these two mods again to effectively make the 1 character hetero (official gay remarks removed, hetero remarks added)?

Sure, representation is great and I'm all for it, but I'm also for people being able to change whatever they want in their own game. In the end, it's only affecting them and no one else, which should be the prime directive of tolerance.