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[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

After seeing how the super delegates worked against Sanders, and how blatantly undemocratic our process of selecting candidates truly is, a lot of people fell into the trap of "fuck it, burn the world down then". I know a lot of people reacted that way when the Republican party's obvious rigging of the 2012 nomination worked against Ron Paul even though the votes were tallied in some states that he was the actual victor, but the derailment of his campaign by announcing Mitt Romney as the winner did enough damage....even though the Republican party chairs for several states had to resign due to the obvious false declarations and ignoring of the votes counted in primaries happened.

The real problem is the lack of confidence in our democracy and the rampant apathy that works against constructive progress.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

After seeing how the super delegates worked against Sanders

Especially because he was almost guaranteed to win against Trump, but they know where the money comes from and decided to go with Hillary, who was historically unlinked as a candidate. I think this ought to have demonstrated that real change cannot come from within the Democratic party and that they are not willing to be the left party people wish they were, they're part of the downward spiral. (And yes they're better than the GOP, always have to get that in for the concerned voters out there.)

lack of confidence in our democracy

It's funny how this idea of "free and fair elections" has recently come up in such a historically corrupt system, it's true that elections today are better than they've ever been in this respect, 2008 onward were incredibly tight on this. Seems like people forget how the 2001 election was stolen. Historically it's almost a joke how bad they were. It was routine for busses to drive around picking up people and dropping them off at voting stations in exchange for a bit of money. It hasn't even been 60 years since everyone in the US could vote! At first you basically needed to be a landowner and even produce from your land to be able to vote. The men's suffrage movement was like a century before women's suffrage.

[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm really glad you mentioned some of the progress, while it's not ideal, it does remind me that we ended the Gilded Age, and we can continue to confront the robber barons of our time. In US history we've already had a few near misses where we almost went the road the Romans did by giving a wealthy person absolute authority. We have to stay aware and be ever vigilant.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

That's really when America as it exists today was created too, between the Civil War and WW1. Often glossed over in the popular mythology of America.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

indeed. the democrats have been enablers to this whole process