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[–] Gbagginsthe3rd@aussie.zone 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why did they buy up everything ? Seemed to fall apart pretty quickly

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Borrowing money was cheap until it wasn't. When they bought the old Eidos stuff, everyone thought Square Enix was taking crazy pills. Now, given that everyone's cutting back right now, it looks more like they knew something Embracer didn't.

[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wasn’t Embracer depending on a huge cash deal with the Saudis that fell through? Likely had an impact.

[–] nromdotcom@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I think regardless of that deal, they were already on the debt-go-round for long enough it would've caught up to them eventually. I can't imagine this was gonna be "one last job then we go clean." The market would continue to demand more and faster growth until they hit the wall one way or the other.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't think anyone was taken back by Eidos being sold off. The biggest mess Square Enix did was let IOI go while putting out The Quiet Man. Hitman 2? No! The Quiet Man, one of the worst games of the decade, YES! MORE PLEASE! Eidos hadn't made a great game in a while but IOI had just put out a rather successful Hitman 1 season with large seasonal plans to keep it going. Now they are working on a James Bond game that everyone is excited about and Square is looking like an idiot. While Eidos will probably flop and flounder until they can get back their roots and build something substantial.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People were taken aback by how little they sold for. IO Interactive bought themselves back from Square Enix some time ago.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Really? I didn't hear that people were shocked at thinking 300 million USD was that little of money for Eidos. It seems about right to me. Especially through Square Enix's eyes where they had just put out GOTG which didn't sell well enough to them.

Square Enix was going to close down or sell IO Interactive as they had pulled funding and were talking to other companies to sell them off. IOI employees triggered the MBO clause and made SE sell to them. This was only 2017.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

2017 is ancient history compared to the current economic climate, and that sale came out of an attempt to make games episodic to their detriment. $300M seemed low considering the buyer makes that money back with probably 1.5 Tomb Raider games, and Deus Ex and all of those other Eidos properties are a bonus. Yes, the deal seemed crazy for Square Enix at the time.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I feel like your are over estimating the tomb raider profits there.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They bought everything up because loans were cheaper and this positions Embracer as a strong IP holder. They now have lots of IPs they own and while you might think "Well they got no one to make the IPs for them!" that might be true in-house, although they certainly have plenty of successful studios still they are busy they have their pick of IPs. Additionally, you can license out IPs for a lot of money with additional funding from the actual sale of the game while a third-party publisher foots the bill entirely.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, groovy. Smashing. Yay, capitalism...

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Isn't it fun when the every IP that exists is owned by 6 companies?

[–] Marketsupreme@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

They were hoping to be bought up by a Saudi company but the deal fell through