100%. The best part of Bethesda open world games is exploring the open space between towns, quests, objectives, etc. Fast travel is an option, but rarely necessary. If you rely on it you will miss lots of cool stuff.

Not so in Starfield, the space between objectives is literally empty space.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

That's a fair opinion to have, but my preference is actually exploring the towns. I love that Starfield removed many of the middle of nowhere winding dungeons that I got so bored of. (Dwemer/Nord ruins in Skyrim and office buildings/other skyscrapers in fallout 4.)

[–] z00s@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, that's why it's called "space", right? That's literally what it is.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And space travel isnt actually a fun adventure, but the point of a video game is to romanticize the concepts. Not make them as boring and realistic as possible

[–] echodot 7 points 1 year ago

There's lots of actual stuff in interplanetary space that you can pull on for inspiration on how to make an interesting game.

You can have counters with shady trader types that are only in the vast gulf between the systems, there could be rogue planets with billion year old abandoned cities to explore filled with automated defences for you to fight and interesting loot at the end. Distant ancient asteroids that contain the seeds of the first life in the universe that when you interact with temporarily give you status change that you can only get from asteroids and temporarily gives you super strength or something, allowing you to complete missions in a way you otherwise would not necessarily have done.

The way these kind of side quests are supposed to work is the player is plodding along trying to get from point A to point B and on the way they get sidetracked by this side quest (the clue is in the name Bethesda). Maybe it changes their priorities or how they're going to tackle and upcoming mission. Side quests are not supposed to be independent standalone things, they're supposed to integrate with the main story. They're not supposed to be something you find easily there's supposed to be something you come across on your own as you're exploring the environment, but you can only do that if the developers bothered to provided environment for you to explore. If they just teleport you to your destination then there's no opportunity for this kind of emergent gameplay.

Loads of stuff you can put between the star systems.

[–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree. Unless that's the whole point of the game you are making, and then it's just the nature of the game. Flight Sim is one of my friend's favorite games, but not so for me. At least they aren't telling people that they are wrong about it being boring because it's realistic and realism is better or some crap.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 year ago

There is, in fact, a very heated debate on whether or not simulators that stay true to form are actually games. With the argument being, they are either toys or simulators.

"I had fun playing with it" isnt exclusive to games, as a ball is not a game but I would gladly throw it against a wall for hours by myself with some music.

But lots of people would likely shit on an attempt to rebrand those things as "video toys" when the distinction is largely only relevant to people studying design, so the heated debate is mostly between academics and pedants.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes. the point is it doesn't work well in a video game.