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[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago (6 children)

they already lost 4.5bn because of this. Their valuation was cut down to 5.5bn from 10bn just the other day

[–] CKOW@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if I remember correctly that value cut was from before all this happened so it’s probably fixin to drop even more

[–] depressed_submissive@lemmy.fmhy.ml 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Here's hoping. (yeah, I'm an unreasonable, hateful bitch. I despise what they did with the Apollo dev (and others) and I hope it bites them in the arse.)

[–] aggressiveavocado@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wish it lives. May we never forget Aaron's dream for the platform. May we never forget it. It's my goal in life to carry on in his and other's footsteps so we may use what we have made to help others.

[–] messem10@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if he was still around, he’d be all for ActivityPub and stuff like Lemmy/Kbin.

[–] glockenspiel@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

He definitely would have been all about ActivityPub, if not involved with bringing it about. Still amazes me that he was one of the inventors of RSS, arguably a proto-ActivityPub.

[–] Opacity9850@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

May we never forget Aaron's dream for the platform

Can you tell us about it?

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/30/fidelity-deepens-valuation-cut-for-reddit-and-discord/

Valued at 10 billion when fidelity bought an ownership stake in 2021.

Currently they estimate Reddit is worth 5.6 billion

Well done team, I bet the investor calls are going great!

How it started: what if we built a platform where people create and moderate the content, but we just make all the money?

How it's going:

[–] xilophor@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

If I understand the article correctly, that 5.6 billion evaluation was at the end of May - before any of this shitshow started

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That valuation cut was from before the whole shitstorm. We've yet to see the impact that this has all had on them, but given the attempts to crush the protests by the reddit admins, when they've just sort of ignored this stuff in the past, its likely not good

[–] tourist@community.destinovate.com 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On one hand, it's likely exactly what they wanted. They get a vanilla app with vanilla content, perfectly tailored for vanilla investors. The part they forgot is that the beacon of internet culture will never be vanilla.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They basically buzzfeedified themselves

[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They tumblr'd themselves and they haven't even 100% gotten to the porn part. I hope all the only fans people on reddit have backups and start jumping ship.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most amazing thing about them doing this is, its not some random CEO with no connection to reddit doing it. Its the literal founder

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*co-founder

If I recall correctly

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Steve and Alexis were the founders, in 2005. Aaron joined later, when reddit bought/merged with notabug inc, Aaron's company

[–] morganth@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That’s not them actually losing money, though. They’re a private company, not a public one. Their valuation is just what analysts think that they’re worth—it has nothing to do with how much money they have.

[–] gsfraley@vlemmy.net 39 points 1 year ago

But valuation is a very real predictive measure on IPOs, and what Reddit is making all these bad decisions in preparation for. They tried to cut a little more pie by dragging third party app users onto their app to try and increase revenue and bump valuation, it's just that it was so terribly misguided and executed that it had the opposite effect and blew up in their face.

[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

True, but the valuation is for investors and per fucknut, Reddit isn’t making any money, hence the api push to a paid platform.

Also, Reddit is going public soon when they IPO and investors aren’t going to want to invest in a bot ridden, non active community.

I’d say 75%+ used Reddit on their phones and many of them used 3rd party apps.

The point is, Reddit IPOing soon and then this fiasco is the worst thing for them.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Splez recently said he thinks they will now go for the IPO later than they had planned originally. So I guess he's hoping this will blow over, the public/investors will forget and they'll recover. I'm not so sure.

[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They definitely pulled a digg. This is going to hurt them a lot more than they think.

[–] morganth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago
[–] burningmatches 9 points 1 year ago

Private companies (which is most businesses) are still worth something. If big investors like Fidelity value your business at $1bn, banks will absolutely consider that as collateral for loans and so on. And if they say your business has halved in value, they’ll consider that too.

[–] turquoise@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Reddit is antsy to effectuate their exit strategy.

Or to put it more simply: everyone with a stake in Reddit, from pigboy Huffman, to institutional investors like Fidelity, to employees who earned equity is eager for Reddit to have their IPO so they can offload their shares on the public stock market.

Their valuation will be an important factor, if not the most important factor, that will determine for which price those stocks will initially be put on the market.

So while slashing the valuation in half will not directly lose them money, it could translate into the initial stock price being half of what they anticipated, causing them to get half of what they would’ve gotten had the valuation not be slashed in half.

There is no way in hell that people with equity in Reddit are not pissed about the slashing of the valuation, since they now anticipate getting a haircut as much as half of what they initially expected to get.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greedy Pig Boy has said for a long time that Reddit isn't profitable. That means they're losing money every year.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It could also be accounting tricks. If they pay themselves a bunch of money, reddit inc. doesn't make a profit, but the individuals working for it do.

[–] BeakersBunsen@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Jozav@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Buy shorts? Buy puts?I need some ill advise, where's wallstreetbets when you need them?

[–] aradon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

That would be a quad-leveraged short on their IPO you could be wanting. Go big or go back to Wendy's.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Check sub.rehab

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We need an unethical life tips here on how quickly we can bankrupt reddit

[–] igetzerobread@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That valuation was inflated as fuck anyways

[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I mean I have first editions of the original runs from 1997 when they were brand new to the states. In fact, all of my cards are from the original set that was released, I never collected anything past the first 151 set. I'm not saying their valuation was not inflated, but it's the usual trope of "oh hey, you remember that old nintendo, those old basketball cards, old baseball cards, etc.. I got rid of them" trope

Now something that was super inflated, beanie babies and yes, I still have almost all of the old mcdonald's ones still in bags from when I was a little girl. I don't care that they aren't worth monetary value, they are worth something to me sentimentally. Something I collected with my mom.