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The Supreme Court ruled Biden's student-loan forgiveness is illegal, meaning borrowers will resume payments without debt cancellation this year.

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[–] Aesculapius@kbin.social 114 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Taxpayers spent over $1 Trillion on the PPP program, of which, $200 billion is thought to be fraudulent. Another case of only corporations get socialism in the US.

[–] LegendofDragoon@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Already rich people get 1.7trillion in tax cuts: crickets

Former middle class Americans get 400bil one time payment: oh fuck no

[–] Ganondorf@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sheer audacity and stupidity of the hypocrisy is staggering and enraging.

[–] MasterSlave@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you want to steal from other Americans that did not attend college or did attend college but not during the eligible period, because the corporations do it? You people are trash.

If you live in the US you are rich compared to the rest of the world. You are already in the top 90% of global earners. Stfu. Move to a 3rd world country with what you have and live like a king.

[–] LegendofDragoon@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And why the hell would we just lay down and accept the fact that our grandparents didn't have student debt because tuition could be paid with a part time job?

Why should we accept that sometimes three incomes isn't enough to support a family when one "unskilled" laborer used to be able to comfortably support a family of five.

Why should we accept the fact that full time at minimum wage can't afford to rent an apartment anywhere in the United States?

Why should we accept that people would rather kill themselves than saddling their family with medical debt.

Why should we accept that people are forced to dangerously ration a drug that costs $10 to produce but costs hundreds of dollars at the pharmacy, with insurance?

Why the fuck would another country having things worse mean we should stop fighting for better?

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forgiving student loans would make all of that worse except for a lucky few.

[–] uselessartifact@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

can you elaborate on how the points @LegendofDragoon mentioned would get worse if student loans were fogiven?

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

our grandparents didn't have student debt because tuition could be paid with a part time job

If a thing costs $10, and the government offers to pay $5 of it without any further action, the price of the thing rises to $15. Government money without restrictions is a big part of why tuition costs so much.

sometimes three incomes isn't enough to support a family when one "unskilled" laborer used to be able to comfortably support a family of five.

Why should we accept the fact that full time at minimum wage can't afford to rent an apartment anywhere in the United States?

Tax money that goes to loan forgiveness for upple middle income people is tax money that can't be spent on decreasing the wealth gap, and in fact will help solidify the wealth gap for anyone not fortunate enough to have a college degree (ie the vast majority of poor people).

Why should we accept that people would rather kill themselves than saddling their family with medical debt.

Why should we accept that people are forced to dangerously ration a drug that costs $10 to produce but costs hundreds of dollars at the pharmacy, with insurance?

Debt forgiveness increases the cost of things. What we need is to attack the roots of the problem - the cost. Don't give people government money to repay private businesses for their ridiculous costs. Use government money to bring the cost down.

California is developing its own generic insulin that it will sell at cost. This will force companies to lower their prices. THAT is how to attack the problem.

[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Just like taxes are theft too... Fuck off and read a book.

[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no, not crickets... More like exuberant enthusiasm.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not even all of the fraud, that's just the really obvious stuff - overseas scam artists inventing fake companies. Rich members of Congress getting PPP loans for their "businesses" and using the money to buy yachts doesn't seem to be counted.

[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Surprised Pikachu face

[–] holo_nexus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

“Capitalism on the way up, socialism on the way down”