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    Screw init wars, real OGs discriminate based on DE (lemmy.ml)
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    I use plasma, BTW

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    [–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you try to switch a distro that's already using Systemd to some other init system, you'll have so many broken things to fix!

    [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Debian lets you switch and AFAIK it mostly works fine. They provide both sysvinit and runit as alternatives. Packages are only required to provide systemd units now, however a lot of core packages still provide sysvinit scripts, and Debian provides a package orphan-sysvinit-scripts that contains all the legacy sysvinit scripts that package maintianers have chosen to remove from their packages.

    That's just in the official repository, of course. Third-party repos can do whatever they want.

    [–] ale@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah ok. Is that different for runit or the other typical alternatives?

    [–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

    None of the others are as deeply integrated into everything as systemd, they pretty much just handle starting things up so dropping in a replacement should be fairly straightforward. At least, it was until everything switched to systemd. Which is probably my biggest issue with it: that it integrates to the point you can't replace it anymore.

    [–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

    Honestly I don't know. I just know that desktop environments and a lot of other packages have hard dependencies on Systemd, at least on Arch and Debian based systems. Those packages include: base, flatpak, polkit, xdg-desktop-portals, and vulkan-intel. So yeah, it's nearly impossible to not break anything.