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Socialist, yes. Most of Europe is pretty heavily socialist.
As far as communism goes though, not any at national scale. Where you tend to find actual communism tends to be in small, very tightly knit communities, but they don't usually call the structure of how their communities function "communism" and at least here in the US, would be "annoyed" were you foolish enough to describe how they live as communism.
what timeline do you live in?
The one where Stalin liberated all of Europe
A timeline in which parts of the world are so in love with capitalism that they think that 20-30 vacation days, affordable healthcare and the barest minimum of unemployment payments are basically a Marxist utopia.
Signed, a guy from Germany who has seen friends become homeless because their unemployment payments were taken away for reasons they had no control over.
None of Europe is socialist. It is all capitalist.
The communism you're referring to here seems to be the notion of a stateless, classless society. This is, by definition, incompatible with the existence of a nation-state, so the idea of such a country is oxymoronic and not what any communist would say reflects their politics - not now and not historically. It's a liberal confusion, as liberals know basically nothing about politics and substitute mass media memes and vibes in its stead.
Feel free to revisit my original comment in this thread where I go over what is meant by "socialist country". Funnily enough, it's the first comment of mine you replied to, though you didn't address anything I said in it and instead just started asking stupid questions. At least you're consistent!
Yawn
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who'd willingly engage in good faith with a colonizer JAQoff once the mask is off tho
Han do what
Just straight racism, lol
Feel free to compare the engagement in my responses to you vs. your responses to me and ask yourself, "am I a good, honest leftist or a liberal coward?"
Bluster can definitely be engagement, you need to learn your words better, child. Though I spent time to explain things to you at length.
It's a shame you're not honest enough to handle contradiction. Your insecurity is on full display.
Redditor moment
Ask your mom if lying is bad
you're confusing socialism for social democracy. social democracy comes at the expense of large scale exploitation of the third world through neo-colonial imperialism, so it is still capitalism
Pretty sure explotation isnt a requirement for social democracy, though I do not deny that explotation is currently happening, really need that cobalt.
it is a requirement if you want to be a very rich social democracy
Marx uses the words Socialism and Communism pretty much interchangeably (Engels a little less so). But Europe hasn't been either since about 1990