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[–] AAA@feddit.de 95 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] BustlingChungus@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago
[–] dan@upvote.au 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've written some tests that got complex enough that I also wrote tests for the logic within the tests.

[–] AAA@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

We do that for some of the more complex business logic. We wrote libraries, which are used by our tests, and we wrote tests which test the library functions to ensure they provide correct results.

What always worries me is that WE came up with that. It wasn't some higher up, or business unit, or anything. Only because we cared to do our job correctly. If we didn't - nobody would. Nobody is watching the testers (in my experience).

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mutation testing is quite cool. Basically it analyzes you code and makes changes that should break something. For example if you have if (foo) { ... } it will remove the branch or make the branch run every time. It then runs your tests and sees if anything fails. If the tests don't fail then either you should add another test, or that code was truly dead and should be removed.

Of course this has lots of "false positives". For example you may be checking if an allocation succeeded and don't need to test if every possible allocation in your code fails, you trust that you can write if (!mem) abort() correctly.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Right,too much coverage is also a bad thing. It leads to having to work on the silly tests every time you change som implementation detail.

Good tests let the insides of the unit change without breaking, as long as the behave the same to the outside world.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Create tests to test the tests. Create tests to test those. Recurse to infinity

[–] dopeshark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who tests the tests for the tests

[–] AAA@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, if anyone, I do.