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Alternate title: Google admits Reddit protests make it harder to find helpful search results

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[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Many of you may wonder how we have a search team that’s iterating and building all this new stuff and yet somehow, users are still not quite happy,” Raghavan reportedly said.

Their search has been getting worse and worse for a long time before the Reddit protest.

[–] Bozicus@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Many of us may wonder," yep. Some of us are pretty sure it's because Google is now optimizing searches for profitability rather than relevance. They're very careful to avoid fully explaining how the algorithm arranges search results, but I think the algorithm now has more financial subroutines than software behind it.

[–] cavemeat@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, that makes me wonder if someone could figure out the old google search algorithm, and use it to make a new, more useful search engine.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC PageRank was patented, so it's public, and at this point the patent is surely expired.

[–] Raeyin@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of the cost is data storage. Unfortunately, I doubt any party will replace old Google.

[–] neamhsplach@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I recently googled "grass" to find out more about different species and the results were all trying to sell me grass.

Grass.

Where I live it's as common as dirt. I wonder how many people Google the word "grass" with zero qualifiers when trying to BUY grass.

Ffs

[–] Raeyin@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

This made me curious. A while back, I decided that I'd had enough with lousy results. I started trying different search engines, and I landed on DuckDuckGo.

After reading your comment, I went and searched the same term, grass. At the top, it showed a short section of 'products' and one ad. The next result was a store, then Britannica's article on grass. Fourth result was Wikipedia.

I figure that a 'products' link and one ad, clearly labeled, is reasonable. After all, the search engine is free.

[–] Bozicus@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

"But have you considered special-edition artisanal grass? Guaranteed to impress your neighbors! Practically mows itself! Thrives on zero water! [in small print: made of 100% high grade polypropylene filaments, not suitable for hot climates]." [/s]

For that kind of research, I usually go to Wikipedia, pick a random technical term for the topic I'm looking for, and add that. It doesn't always work, but it does eliminate some of the sales sites. But it shouldn't be necessary, sigh.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ironically, reddit's search feature was also trash. If I wanted to find something on reddit I just went to google and appended "reddit".

[–] SevYote@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC, they cited google as a reason not to work on their own search, since that's what most of their userbase had got used to searching reddit with anyway by that point.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit also cited 3rd party apps, bots and extensions as a reason to not develop many of the features on their own... and here we are now.