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[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are gravely mistaken. Im not raising pillaging Eastern front troops to your throne of righteousness, Im pushing the rest of the pretentious fuckers closer to theirs.

Wermacht soldiers, most likely the majority, were the guys who got pulled into the doings of the Nazi regime. Not nazis, coerced into nazi biddings. I cant call them nazies with a serious face.

If you look at average low wage voters in Murica, dont tell me you are seriously thinking of people who got their shit together enough and have a coherent enough world view. Fuck no.

The SS? Those were pretty directly driven to methodical extermination and such. They are more deserving of the word nazies.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wermacht soldiers, most likely the majority, were the guys who got pulled into the doings of the Nazi regime. Not nazis, coerced into nazi biddings. I cant call them nazies with a serious face.

The Wehrmacht was Nazi from top to bottom

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tell me statistics. You state it was Nazi top to bottom. The article states "many officers and average soldiers". The latter is closer to what I stated.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to Heer, ‘60 to 80 per cent’ of German soldiers who fought on the eastern front participated in war crimes.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341229466_Crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht_A_Re-evaluation

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Understandable, thank you! I was guessing 20-30% with it being higher among officers, but I do not read that much on it.

Although I still cant be convinced on you really getting what "fighting for" and "better choice" means in this context.

I lived by myself for years without much of a social interaction in my usual week or month and very often had the most fucked up thoughts in that deprived state.

Are they nazis when viewed as part of the system? Can be argued. On a personal level? Locked in their little miserable bubble? Suicidal and homicidal come hand in hand. I dont think they had any advanced thoughts on it in the winter on the steppes while their hand froze to ice. They were deprived, fucked up murderers.