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That's great that you found something that worked for you and for others. And I respect your stance on cost.
But it doesn't change the fact that an experiment that only runs through the pre-wash cycle is at best misleading when the results that are important are that of the full cycle. And it also doesn't change my impression that you used a fundamentally flawed experiment to try to make a logical argument, which was then contradicted in your follow-up.
It's just not a great look.
If the point of the second video was "I was wrong" (versus "I'm still right but for different reasons") then I probably wouldn't have unsubscribed. Your moving of the goalposts (which just triggers too many memories of growing up with narcissists) just confirms that was a good choice.
But I do like your content about LED holiday lights, and I will be back to see what you find this season.
For what it's worth, adding a little citric acid should be more cost effective than putting more detergent in the prewash cup.
@JWBananas @Rentlar @SilentStorms I fundamentally disagree with the idea that it's misleading.
I wanted to show that the pre-wash cycle is /important/ - that having detergent in the first rinse actually accomplishes something.
The main thrust of that video was that detergent packs skip that first step, and what I wanted to show was the value of that first step. If you had a dishwasher that worked fine with pods, there would be no reason to change tour habits - and I explicitly said as much
@JWBananas
And truthfully, what I messed up in the first video was not getting into the nuance of water hardness and detergent amounts.
People who follow the directions on powder to "fill cups completely" are going to be in for a rough time if they have soft water. I didn't get into that, so people started using powder, used too much, and had worse results.
So I went further, showed how you can actually get away with very little detergent, which imo is yet another reason to prefer powder.
@JWBananas So yeah, honestly I feel like you're missing most of the context in those videos.
I never said pacs don't work - I said that I suspect they've led to a lot of dishwasher dissatisfaction, made an argument as to why, and backed that up with a demo of the pre-wash and how, with no detergent in there, more stuff was left on the plates. That then was the starting point for the main wash cycle, and I figured that difference would speak for itself.
If it didn't, then /that/ was my mistake
The other guy is totally unnecessarily being a dick, but is perhaps touching upon a good point.
The prewash stage might have a more effective result if some detergent is put in, but there's no actual value in that if a full main wash without pre-wash detergent results in a completely clean load of dishes.
@Zagorath I see a lot of detergent products advertising "no pre-wash required" on their packaging, at least here in AU.
That's probably referring to the fact that you shouldn't prewash by hand before putting something in the dish washer.
It may also simply be inaccurate marketing.
Good (if rather rambly) video about it: https://youtu.be/_rBO8neWw04?t=505
He also touches on that prewash marketing in a second follow-up video to the above. It also discusses the value of rinse aid.
@TechConnectify I think you're missing the part where I didn't like the content, and I don't like you personally, and I unsubscribed. Please stop spamming me.
@JWBananas @Rentlar @SilentStorms ask and you shall receive, but maybe next time untag me first
Ignore that jerk. You're great, and your detergent videos explained, in exhaustive detail, (as all of your videos do, because that's literally the whole shtick,) the nuance and context that you were aiming for. Anyone who missed that just wasn't paying attention.
Also your snarkiness in your videos is amazing and never stop being you.
@TechConnectify@mas.to I like your content, and I like you personally, and I've subscribed. Please continue spamming me.
I didn't fucking tag you in my original post. I don't even know how you found it in the first place. If this is how the fediverse works, that's not good.
Dude what the hell? You posted publicly in a public comment thread and are mad when the person you're talking about responded? You know this could happen on reddit too right? Creators are people too, you absolute dick.