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[–] snek@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I found this gem today and couldn't help but hare it

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let me quote some portions of the Hamas Covenant to you, and you tell me if you can find anything this insane in Israeli founding documents. Like it or not, Hamas has clearly stated its opposition to peace and its genocidal intent.

Intent is the difference.

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will abolish it, just as it abolished others before it

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

[The Jews] were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

[The Zionist invasion] relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people. “May the cowards never sleep.”

It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you are assuming I support Hamas. Could you please explain what led you to believe that? Because I don't.

I posted that image to show how Israel doesn't criticize itself when it commits genocide or ethnic cleansing but is quick to jump into conclusions and condemn their own enemy even though they are committing the same act.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not assuming anything, I'm explaining that intent matters when considering whether genocide is happening. Hamas clearly has intent, Israel on the other hand? I'm willing to be convinced of course; certainly some officials have made genocidal statements, but I'm not aware of the official policy or stated aims of Israel being specifically genocidal the way Hamas is. Apartheid? Absolutely, and that's bad enough.

Israel has attempted peace multiple times; I respect Arafat & the PLO for compromising and it's a shame what happened with that process. Hamas considers these efforts a "contradiction to its principles" and a "waste of time".

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree. But to be honest your comment came out as sarcastic. Hamas don't take issue in being clear about their own agendas. Israel does everything to hide it. You don't need to find words like these in internal Israeli government documents. Their actions are enough. Nakba was ethnic cleansing. Today in Gaza is ethnic cleansing. Genocide is finally being used in the media as a word to describe the situation with accuracy.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You may be right about Netanyahu & Likud, anyway, and I'm certainly not saying the Palestinians don't have every right to resist. I expect Israel's stated aim, to destroy Hamas, is an honest one. I expect Gaza will be returned to the Palestinians when that goal is achieved, because again, I don't see Israel as intentionally genocidal. I can't say I'm not concerned that my expectations won't be met, though.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Time will tell.