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[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't forget turning off all their nuclear plants to become reliant on brown coal and russian (now american) gas.

[–] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry but, I always find it strange when people talk about nuclear energy as the simplest solution.

Nuclear energy is extremely expensive compared to wind and solar once you also account for the cost of processing the uranium and then dealing with the radioactive waste afterwards.

Also take France for example. The EDF has (after being privatized) ran on substance without reinvesting in repairs and renovation so much that last year more than half of its 56(54?) reactors stood still because of problems relevant for their save operation. This was before the last record-breaking summer in 2022 when even more of them didn't have enough cool water to operate. As a consequence the EDF made mountains of dept because they had to buy so much energy from Germany last summer (from all the solar and wind) that Macron (the famously socialist and anti-market-driven-everything-president of France had to re-nationalize EDF last year. If a neoliberal government like France's nationalizes the EDF (famous for its highest percentage of nuclear energy in the mix) you can really see how great of a solution it really is.

Also: where does most of the world's uranium come from? Russia. So not really much of a difference to the gas. France takes a lot of it from Mali as well (which explains their involvement there. So uranium isn't that great in this regard as well).

Also: Nuclear reactors create the most important resource for nuclear weapons automatically.

In north-east Germany there's the Wendelstein 7X an experimental stelarator-type fusion generator that since its operation blew all the best estimates for experimentation out of the water. But it can never create more energy than it takes because it's too small. But it took decades to ensure the funding to even build a small one like this. For a fraction of the subsidies tat nuclear power plants, or gas or coal gets ever year we could've build many larger ones that would be much closer to be net positive in power production.

I'm not against nuclear energy per se. But it's really annoying to hear all these voices from outside that from thousands of miles away know everything about Germany turning off its power plants.

The main advantage of nuclear in capitalism is that its central. Everybody having solar power and large fields of wind farms distributed evenly across the country make it less controllable by singular entities.

I might warm up more to nuclear energy it would be run in a more socialist society where there's no profit-driven operation that drives companies to skip repairs. The corrosion crisis in France is a direct result of "market forces".

If something like Chernobyl happened in France... holy shit. That country has the most tourists in the world and exporting their food into the whole wide world. And -yes - I know that the chernobyl-type reactor (Graphite-mediated and so on) isn't used in France anymore. As someone who lived half of his life worth in 30km to "Fessenheim" - France's oldest and now shut down Graphite-Based reactor - I can yell you that you examine the possible impact more closely from time to time and think about it more.

Solar and Wind are better. But they naturally don't create market monopolies and dilute power over energy. That's why they're not pushed that hard. If a resource is spread out evenly you cannot make money from it. There's no market. Capitalism doesn't like this.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Nuclear is not displaced by wind and solar, it's displaced by fossil fuels. Nobody's arguing that we should stop building solar or wind to start 20 year long nuclear constructions (though china has it down to 5).

The continued existence of German lignite mining and their expansion of gas are due to turning off nuclear plants before the end of their lifespan.

[–] OKRainbowKid@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't go one thread about about Germany without that shit being spouted.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, it is a big fuck up that is leading to wars today. Putin wouldn't have dared invade if he didn't have guaranteed customers for resources.

[–] OKRainbowKid@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany does not import gas from Russia anymore. Please explain.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, but they did at the start of the war and were quite dependent on it, especially in industry. They, and the rest of Europe have made huge efforts to transition away.

Their import dependence and others played a part in Putin’s calculus for war. Energy was specifically excluded from sanctions as to cut it off would have been disruptive.

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/natural-gas-imports-from-russia#:~:text=Natural%20Gas%20Imports%20from%20Russia%20in%20Germany%20averaged%20132491.07%20Terajoule,Natural%20Gas%20Imports%20From%20Russia.

[–] finishsneezing@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is Germany’s fault because they were buying gas? Is that right?

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Lol, no. The invasion of ukraine in Russias fault. However, Germany placed itself in a state of high dependence on a state that used that dependence as a tool of control rather than trade. It was a grave error of judgement.