this post was submitted on 25 Jun 2023
38 points (75.0% liked)
sh.itjust.works Main Community
7649 readers
11 users here now
Home of the sh.itjust.works instance.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
This is all easy to say for non-trans folk who aren't being targeted for the next genocide. If we allow users like this to hide behind crypto-fascist rhetoric, vulnerable minority communities will be overwhelmed and pushed out by the sheer volume of hatred.
I am completely unfamiliar with federation as a concept so there may not be a way to effectively moderate an entire instance consisting of several communities, but if there is a way to protect vulnerable communities without de-federaring, it needs to be done.
This is a tough call. I see where you're coming from, I really do, but saying things like "target for the next genocide" really isnt going to win over anyone on the fence.
Edit: I do live in one of the most trans friendly places in Canada though. If you're from the southern states (or worse) I can see why it'd feel that way.
I have a non-binary kid. It's not an exaggeration or imagination. People have made death threats against them. They're under twelve years old.
You only think it's exaggerated because you're sheltered from it.
I'm not saying anyone is imagining things. I'm very sorry to hear your child has gone through that but it's good you are supportive of them.
I'm not sheltered from it. Believe it or not I have enby and trans friends. I have heard stories, I know there are awful people out there, that's not what I'm saying.
My point is, as an alley, if I pause when I read it phrased that way, just imagine how the people who are already struggling to understand will read it.
You know what I mean?
You having those friends doesn't mean you're not sheltered if you live in a place where it's not happening as much.
You mentioned the southern states so you know what's going on it just isn't in your face or affecting you, hence "sheltered".
Well I've heard a lot worse from other continents, but call me sheltered if you want, miss my pont, that's fine. No I don't have a non-binary kid in the states, that sounds rough, I'm sorry.
All I'm saying is maybe on place like this with clearly more diverse viewpoints (a good thing) I'm mindful on how the "other side" might read those words and take the problem less seriously as a result.
I hope your kid is doing well and that you both stay safe.
WHY are vulnerable people joining a decentralized system? Isnt this why you want a closed, not for public eyes community?
Also genocide? What? Acceptance is extremely high and on the up thanks to a plethora of institutions working HARD to improve the image of trans people. You dismiss all their hard work by calling trans people ripe for genocide.
You have some extreme views and I recommend you touch some grass, not even ironically. Nobody is planning a genocide on trans people.
For the same reason wheelchair users leave the house after dark
Anyway, "public" doesn't mean "hate speech friendly."
Transgender people are not disabled. They know exactly what their personal shortcomings are.
There are a plethora of fediverses that are locked down tight and remove everything that would even mildly trigger people.
Im all for banning nazis and trolls but I think its healthy to keep discussions.
I know this fediverse will defederate and I explained in another comment that im completely fine with it. If people dont want to hear centrist opinions thats up to them. Not me.
I personally use the block button if I feel I dont want to see someones opinion and I encourage everyone to do the same with me they dont want to see my comments.
Everyone always thinks allowing a bunch of opinions will make everything dissolve in a right wing nightmarish shithole. You can still set boundaries which the EH admins did.
And lets not forget that the admins of EH always were upfront and honest they would ban nazis or extreme views. This has been confirmed multiple times. Point it out to them and they will ban them.
Care to elaborate on that point?
No person is perfect, its important to know what triggers you. They can manage fine deciding what content they dont want to see.
If they cant they should find a closed server run by admins that protect them from literally everything. Reddit for example.
If you think Reddit protects trans people... you really have no idea.
It's sounded like you were implying something a lot worse.
If I wasnt clear I have nothing against the trans community.
Only dislike I have is the memes because I cant relate to them. 😝
But you wont find me entering their safe spaces to start arguing on what is or isnt genocide, im only doing that here because its a public space and I didnt find it reasonable to be set apart as "neonazi" or genocide instigator for joining a centrist community with a bunch of weirdos.
I just think edgy memes can be funny
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/june-anti-trans-legislative-risk
Transphobes want us dead, call it whatever you like. Whether or not acceptance is high in general, the extremists are still fighting hard at the state level in the US, which usually spreads ideologically to other countries.
Easy, we defederate all Americans.
Moving the goalposts. You call this a genocide, its a far cry from it. About half the states respect, and provide support.
Whatever they do in red states isnt nice, but you arent being genocided by a bunch of boomers.
In fact, I think you are vulgar for comparing your strugglings with people like the jewish, ughurs, black africans who got and get genocided on a daily basis.
You dont know what struggle is and this makes your comment very tasteless.
I also notice a weird concidence where most transgender people I meet in real life have zero of the struggles outlined by people online. They a job, partner and get sufficient healthcare. They are respected, except by people of certain religions.
Again, I will respectfully ask you to stop comparing your struggle to a genocide, as it is not.
You are a marginalized group that is bullied and pushed around by boomers in suits.
Sounds like a struggle to me?