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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are choosing to sell their body? Do you really think that just because it is legal that the only people doing it aren’t ones in complete poverty? And secondly, saying that there can’t be pimps doesn’t make it so. Exploitation can be stopped by providing economic conditions where people aren’t becoming prostitutes. Sex work isn’t an issue where you live? That’s such a fucking privileged thing to say. I don’t have a majority of people who oppose exploitation? Well, when I say we, I’m referring to good people

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are choosing to sell their body?
yes, i am, and plenty of my friends do to… we have regular jobs too. don’t be so judgemental

Do you really think that just because it is legal that the only people doing it aren’t ones in complete poverty?
of course not; problems exist everywhere, but we do have a functioning unemployment system which massively raises the bar

it’s also not about absolutely nothing bad happens: no matter whether it’s illegal or not people are going to do sex work… its about harm minimisation and in a system where there’s no stigma, sex workers can seek help without fear of reprisal and have laws that help them

And secondly, saying that there can’t be pimps doesn’t make it so.
true, but i’ve never heard of it being so, and i’ve heard of plenty of other issues with sex work… this just doesn’t seem to be one of them

Exploitation can be stopped by providing economic conditions where people aren’t becoming prostitutes.
or by not stigmatising sex work… sex work, by the way, is the correct term

Sex work isn’t an issue where you live? That’s such a fucking privileged thing to say.
i guess you’re right… i’m privileged to have massive government studies and research in the topic that led them to the conclusion that this was the correct choice, and i’m privileged to live here and to have life experience as a sex worker… i’m privileged to be a sex worker and not have people like you around me stigmatising and contributing to the very issue huh claim to be against simply because of some shitty “morals” which is actually about controlling people’s choices

I don’t have a majority of people who oppose exploitation? Well, when I say we, I’m referring to good people
and there it is… anyone that doesn’t agree with your world view isn’t a good person? jesus christ mate… try living outside your bubble for half a second… turns out the world doesn’t work the way you think it should. turns out problems aren’t black and white, and turns out knee jerk reactions without evidence is a shit way to govern

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sex work is actually a rather wrong term. Work means to sell your labor value which isn’t what prostitution (or “sex work” is) Selling access to one’s body ≠ selling your labor value as they are different concepts. I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t help people caught in it but rather to help, legalization isn’t necessarily the method to go down. It’s one tiny step right now. Eventually we must eliminate it through education and poverty reduction. I imagine recriminalization would be discussed at such a point when it isn’t necessary for poor people to sell their bodies.

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i don’t know what else to say here other than to reiterate that you’re provably wrong on all fronts

as i’ve said: i live in a place where SEX WORK is regulated rather than criminalised, and we have significantly lower levels of associated social issues because of it… it’s not a theory, it’s a fact backed up by numerous government enquiries…

in fact, up until a year ago there were more restrictions and they significantly loosened them, because it was found that many of the minimal restrictions were detrimental to protecting people from harm and exploitation

https://www.vic.gov.au/sex-work-decriminalisation

i’m not going to reply any more because Brandolini's law exists

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet it appears to me that they haven’t addressed if these measures have actually decreased the amount of prostitutes and if that has caused many to get out of it via being “destigmitized” (How in the world it destigmitized it isn’t explained but oh well)

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

decreasing the number of SEX WORKERS was not the aim, and is honestly irrelevant

it has, however, significantly increased the safety of those doing sex work and allowed them to make choices rather than being stuck

there are other reports and follow ups that go with that piece; that’s just kinda the culmination and the government PR piece

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These changes clearly haven’t had an effect then. I also question your safety claims as it seems that safety regulations were being rolled back according to that article you sent

[–] PupBiru@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

they had the desired effect, it just wasn’t the effect you were looking for. these changes effectively increase the safety of sex work

the regulations in question were rolled back because they were made in 1994 as a first attempt at legislation… when certain things are found not to be necessary or to cause more harm than good, they were updated

the last part is really the crux of the issue: regulations that people largely ignore are unhelpful… they only mean that people are less likely to seek help for fear of punishment, and that leads to more abuse

we had sex worker registration so that the government could track effectiveness of policy changes and revoke licenses if people weren’t following the rules, but it was found that some people were doing sex work without registration, and then were reluctant to seek help if they got exploited or abused for fear that they’d get into legal trouble

other systems were put in place to ensure everyone stays safe, and the registrations were no longer necessary