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Mia Khalifa fired from Playboy for her pro-Hamas posts after the Israel attack
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Reading these comments is fucking insane.
Calling Hamas "freedom fighters" is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.
Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don't hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don't spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It's what terrorists do.
Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.
Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.
These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.
Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won't let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Fuck Hamas.
She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities
This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can't use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.
Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that'd have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.
In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).
I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.
There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.
First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.
It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn't add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.
Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.
Any action that doesn't help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.
Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.
There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.
I am not saying freedom fighting groups don't do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world. What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.
OK, with this I agree.
Putting aside whether terror is strategic, taking hostages is a strategy.
Killing houndreds of innocent unarmed civilians isn't
Are you saying if one element of their response isn't strategic then it doesn't matter about the rest?
Nope, as I stated otherwise.
I am saying that non strategic acts harm the cause more than strategic help it.
Hamas does much more non strategic acts than strategic acts, to such an extent that calling them a freedom fighting group is objectively false.
Thanks for clarifying.
There is no such thing as "real freedom fighters" War is not a moral thought experiment.Terrorism is at the end of the day a a military strategy. Which freedom figheters, militas and regular armiees use all the time.
It's incredibly heartless to say such things
It would be if using or not using terror would be orthogonal to success in war. War is a zero-sum game and you simply can't throw out anything giving advantage - you'll be punished by evolution, as simple as that.
Unless you are in some artificial situation where rules of war are respected and if they are not you are punished by neutral sides. Sadly our era doesn't have any such mechanism despite all the declarations. It's not Frederic the Great's time.
Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I'm pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?
Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.
They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it's much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.
It's funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.
Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.
Captured documents of hamas fighters clearly state that their targets were mainly civilian.