this post was submitted on 04 Oct 2023
163 points (100.0% liked)

Socialism

2843 readers
36 users here now

Beehaw's community for socialists, communists, anarchists, and non-authoritarian leftists (this means anti-capitalists) of all stripes. A place for all leftist and labor news and discussion, as long as you're nice about it.


Non-socialists are welcome to come to learn, though it's hard to get to in-depth discussions if the community is constantly fighting over the basics. We ask that non-socialists please be respectful and try not to turn this into a "left vs right" debate forum by asking leading questions or by trying to draw others into a fight.


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the stuff I think about every time I hear we're appropriating more money for another country's war.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is generally a state issue, so your examples are apples and oranges.

Additionally, the US is crippling Russia by throwing money at Ukraine. This is literally the best deal ever for the US.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is generally a state issue, so your examples are apples and oranges.

A shallow excuse for the amount of money we pour into warmongering. This should be legislated at the federal level and you know it.

Additionally, the US is crippling Russia by throwing money at Ukraine. This is literally the best deal ever for the US

I imagine kids with school lunch debt would feel differently.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you think the reason we don't have a federal lunch program for schools is because we are giving money to Ukraine to defend themselves from a foreign aggressor, I don't know where to begin honestly. I guess I should start with "the war started 18mo ago"?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the issue is war in general and the extent to which our own people's needs are neglected because of it.

Ukraine is just another excuse for war profiteers to profit. What galls me the most about Ukraine, however, is reading these stories about the monstrous ways our own needs are neglected in order to fund a war that isn't even our own.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're the one who spot-focused Ukraine so frankly none of our responses should surprise you.

We can easily afford to feed kids. Our bloated military (which I do not support btw) has nothing to do with it. There is no political will to do it. The cost would be negligible in the grand scheme of our budget. You're framing it as a balance thing - to pay for X we have to cut Y - but that's not how the federal budget works at all. By your argument i could go "if we'd just stop paying for medicaid we could afford school lunches." I could arbitrarily pick any government program and say "we fund this instead of that." It makes no sense.

Plus it's not like we were about to then "oh no war in Ukraine" and we canned the idea.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can easily afford to feed kids.

Agreed.

Our bloated military (which I do not support btw) has nothing to do with it.

And yet you're here defending it anyway.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am not defending it, in fact I explicitly said I DON'T support our military spending. I'm saying your either/or is patently absurd. Cut military spending, increase military spending, it doesn't matter. It's detached from whether or not we feed our children. They are separate matters.

If you agree we can easily afford it then what are you even on about?