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[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Was talking to this fellow yesterday (distant relative, we don't interact much). He's been going from time to time to Donetsk region, hauling humanitarian aid. Showed some disturbing stuff.

Apparently he went to Yasinovataya recently to help distribute aid - macaroni, buckwheat, you know the stuff provided to civilians. Mind you, the town went down from about 70-80k population to about 10 by his estimate (wikifedia says 30).

When they returned home, the vehicle base they went from got attacked. Cluster munitions. He showed me a video from the balcony, you could hear the telltale multiple boom of the clusters. And another one, which he said was a drone - meaning the strike was directed from the sky, and not just blind. So the AFU knew exactly what they were attacking.

There weren't any military vehicles in that base. Even if there were - they'd be impervious to shrapnel from the clusters. Civilian vehicles - not so much. Freshly delivered bus had its windows smahed out. The driver was wounded. Dump trucks had tires torn to shreds, windows smashed, several had engines sliced. Hydraulics, fuel lines, brakes - you name it, all sliced by shrapnel. There was a tractor - now it has a hole in the bloody dozer. Water tank truck - holes. There was a Niva parked next to the office building of the base - it caught fire. Burned out entirely, fire spread to the building and torched the first floor. And as a final insult, there was a cat living there - it hid under one of the trucks when the shelling began and got killed.

But nah, the western media keeps screeching about heroic Ukraine and heroic west. Russian media thumps about all going to plan, and little to no casualties. Meanwhile, this is the norm over there.