I don't think that users on a fledgling platform should be this gung-ho about fragmentation, but it is what it is. Lemmy is starting to feel like something I should just revisit in a year: either to postmortem another perennially niche service, or to finally "pick a side" once the chips are more settled, even though I don't particularly want to.

[–] TrojanHam@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As an early Mastodon user, it went through something like this when overt Nazis (gab, et al) federated and often used misleading names for instances. The result was an immediate reaction in disgust from the vast majority of the fediverse and rampant defederations of hateful instances.

[–] elyusi_kei@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

As an early Mastodon once-user - mostly just to try self-hosting 4fun - that all mostly flew over my head and I'm hoping to do the same here. Though I did mostly follow Pawoo/Baraag artists, which I believe puts me on a similar side of history to said Nazis by current standards? I can't say I'm thrilled by the association but I do get it at least. At the end of the day, to me it just feels silly to get hung up on moderation policies set by people who have never met me, and whom I have never met.

And realistically, the main thing that tapered my interest in Mastodon is I have no idea how to become addicted to Twitter/Twitter-likes. 🤣 I should try again sometime, Misskey seems nice.

[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 2 points 1 year ago

Hateful instance run by hateful admin? Sure defederate it. Don’t defederate instances because they’re trying to be more open and popular.

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If- this de-federation movement doesn't stop- what will eventually happen-

The large instances will end up defederating so much of the fediverse, that it makes more sense for them to just enable the "private" checkbox.

The end-result, is the failure of lemmy.

[–] elyusi_kei@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

failure

It's only a failure from certain perspectives. It happens to be my perspective too, but I can understand where others are coming from. I suppose this is one of them fancy irreconcilable differences thingies.

Personally, I suppose what mostly peeves me about these kinds of approaches is that they don't really seem like solutions. Anyone from a no-no community is still free to employ the time-honored trolling tradition that is alt-juggling for harassment campaigns. Or, I assume that's the case - if there's one thing I really hope everyone at the table can still agree on, it's that extreme privacy-invading measures for preventing alts is a step too far: there's vulnerable voices across all parts of the opinion spectrum. Anyways, because alts exist, defederation measures always felt a bit performative from my perspective. But far be it from me to judge whatever helps people sleep at night. 🤣

I want to take the explanation that this is just a stopgap while moderation tooling develops at face value, but something tells me that isn't the whole of the truth. In the end, I don't think I'll care all that much no matter how this shakes out; touching grass is really fantastic for helping maintain perspective. 👍

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 1 points 1 year ago

Will note, I have been publishing a few scripts into the admins chat on lemmy.ml, to assist with moderation, and catching some of these types of content too.

Hopefully, we get some built in tools soon too.