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You are preaching to the choir. I was just spreading the word of this crap here.
I just posted my comment in the Lemmy.ml thread, so we'll see how THAT goes...
Well, @sexy_peach@feddit.de determined your comment was worth downvoting. I don't think he/she/they appreciates your feedback.
I guess to some people, tolerance is conditional on whether you agree with what they said.
I'm not going to tolerate neo-nazis over here. I'm going to call out any of their shitty views and takes. Because they aren't going away. Racism didn't die, white supremacists didn't fade away. Folks like to think they came back with Trump, but guess what? The call was coming from inside the room. It was always there, it was just taking a nap and waiting.
Cutting them off will just put them back into waiting mode, ready to pop up and spread their shit again. We, the society we, need to push back against their shit to keep regular folk from falling for their lies. It's not going to be easy, and it's certainly not a one person job. All of us need to do what we can, even if it's just a downvote.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to unblock TheDonald to see what's worth downvoting.
I peeked at it earlier. Honestly, really isn't anything at all of value in there.
I mean, seriously- it's just a bunch of really crappy news posts... the kind that looks more like spam then news.
Yeah, it was sad. One dude shouting to the void, basically. If that's all it takes to get an instance defederated, then the Fediverse is doomed to be small oases in an ocean of fear and hatred.
Tell me about it.
I don't think many people realize how little effort it would take me, to go and create a bot that just creates accounts on their instance, and then posts pro-trump things on other instances.
Let that run for, oh. a day or two, and I imagine that would be the end of federation for everyone.
I heard there is the option to enable captcha in the new 0.18 version, so there should be some protection soon.
edit: I had it the wrong way around and the removed captcha in 0.18 to reimplement it in a future version
100% NOT a bot here...
All captchas are easy to crack because there are services that employ workers to solve captchas. You can buy packages of solves and they guarantee a specific accuracy rate and solve time. You submit via an API and get a result back in a few seconds. The result may be a string or it may include a mapping of how the user interacted with the app (which your client then emulates to fool the captcha app that it is receiving human input).
It's just another electronic service provided by workers in low wage countries.
Captchas mitigate the issue slightly but they're not a magic solution to bots. They can be the difference between the instance gaining 1,000 bot accounts in a day instead of 10,000,000 however.
There was captchas in 0.17 too.
The problem is, captchas are not effective against bots. Its trivial to solve captchas with a bot... much quicker then we can solve them as humans.
I specifically choose instances based on their instance block list. If they block a lot of instances, I don't consider them. My ideal ones are the ones that are a bit free and yet are well connected, but sometimes well connected means "allied to the mass defederators" because people in general become super compliant in the face of isolation.
Sh.itjust.works may start banning communities to regain federation to Beehaw, and then Beehaw will ask that sh.itjust.works defederate a "wrong" instance or two, and by the time we know it, we'll all be banning the same instances, and we'll be a cute little echo chamber of "tolerance".
By that same measure, I usually avoid any instance of community that claims to be a "safe place". They're the likeliest to always be attacking others because that's how you stay safe, through unending violence.
how is downvoting related to tolerance?
You literally downvoted him, NOT for the content inside of the comment he made- but, because he chose to voice his opinion.
That is the definition of intolerance, towards any viewpoint that does not specifically agree with yours.
His comment, that you disagreed with:
I owe you an apology, @sexy_peach@feddit.de . I didn't mean to direct that comment only to you, but I see how it came across that way.
Upvotes and downvotes don't have modifiers that let you say whether you agree or disagree, whether you think the comment is relevant, or whether you appreciate that someone took the time to respond but you disagree with their points. They're too broad.
So without further information, like a reply, no one can really know why an upvote or downvote was cast.
So, would you care to discuss what I wrote in reply to your post?
I agree with you; there is no tolerance of intolerance.
Did you get told about the "paradox of tolerance"?
People need to chill a bit. The defederate hammer is being thrown around a lot lately without allowing admins time to respond. One moron setting up a community named thedonald isn't the same as that same Reddit community seeing up base here.
Seems like it's gone now either way? I can't find it.