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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, US military is geared for that, the fact revealed by the ammunition and supply debacle in the Ukraine war.

Carriers are used for the good old gunboat diplomacy.

And it's not only even hypersonic missiles that are danger to them. Quite long time ago Swedish navy proven during the NATO maneuvers that competently used non-nuclear submarine can sink the carrier too. There's also strange coincidence between Iran proving they have working supercavitating torpedoes and USN reluctance to sail the carriers into Persian Gulf. Btw NATO still don't have such torpedoes too while USSR had them since 1977.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't they cope about those torpedoes with "oh yeah well they're unguided and therefore bad unlike glorious USN stuff"?

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their cope about this one is that Iran doesn't have a good platform for it.

The thing is they're not coping about supercavitating torpedoes on their own. Like I've never seen anyone say that's bad or lame. The US DID try to steal the tech back in the early 2000s too. With most stuff like this the tone is a combination of pointing out the US' superior platforms and "We can't allow a missile gap" rhetoric to build hype for more military procurement.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like think about it. If you say the weapon is useless you can't sell the countermeasure. So the weapon is good, but they can't use it well yet... BUT ONE DAY THEY MIGHT, so you need to buy the newest raytheon/general dynamics//whatever toy.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Excellent point. Thanks!

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They are guided, idk where they get that they aren't.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Standard of proof for flaws in a NATO weapon: "I want a declassified combat report from a NATO source that explicitly states word for word what you're saying."

Standard of proof for flaws in non-NATO weapons:

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

main source: racism

"weapon x bad because orientals are dumb". "they dont have value for human life so their arm their soldiers with cheap things". "this decent weapon they have is stolen superior western tech"

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually this one is soviet tech that the US tried to steal.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

screeches loudly RUSSIAN PROPAGANDIST EVIL SEE SEE PEE TANKIE redacted redacted insert racism

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just something I've read in Russian liberal press like a decade ago

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah so the universal liberal source: their ass.