this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2023
293 points (84.3% liked)

Technology

59602 readers
3337 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The summer is over, schools are back, and the data is in: ChatGPT is mainly a tool for cheating on homework.::ChatGPT traffic dropped when summer began and schools closed. Now students are back, and they're using the AI tool again more.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Both of these methods require the student to understand the work. My old man brain insists they should have to code assembly from scratch and walk through snow storms to a library for their essay research, but in reality this is likely how this technology will be used. It's a practical approach. The 8th grade version should probably include fact checking.

[–] June@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m thinking of LLMs like calculators when I was in school.

It’s good to have a fundamental understanding of how it all works, but let the tool be the workhorse and just learn to validate.

[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can understand how subtraction or multiplication works, but if you don't do them repeatedly in your head and on paper you will end up needing a calculator for the most ridiculous things. Like getting change or splitting a bill with a friend, or whatever.

[–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair, I dont think the people growing up with calculators in class and using chat gpt will be using cash at all. Not sure the last time I have even held physical currency, honestly. While your splitting a bill part might remain, we dont really need to worry about calculating change anymore.

[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

this is strawman argument. Being able to do basic mathematic operations in your head has nothing to do with using cash or not. By your logic we can stop thinking at all. Calculator for mathematic operations, AI for thinking and talking. We can stop thinking at all since hey,AI is easier

[–] radix@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can confirm I literally never calculate change anymore. The only thing I do in my head is calculate a 20% tip.

(Obligatory screw tip culture.)

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really it needs to start a little younger: in 5th or 6th grade they should be writing short essays in class, by hand, and then move onto outlining for larger essays, and then they can start using AI to do the drafts at home.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was definitely outlining and writing essays in early grades but was on an accelerated track. My friends from the neighborhood who went to a different junior high entered high school without ever have done this. That blew my mind at the time and still does today decades later.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It blows mine, too. I remember having to do the outlines and hating it, but it really helps you understand the structure of an essay even if you never write that way again.

I think outlining will actually become an important tool with generative AI. For example, I used it to generate a letter of recommendation last week. So to do that, I had to:

  • Write a prompt with enough background for the AI to work with, and include all my talking points
  • Generate the output
  • Read over everything to make sure what it generated was relevant and accurate
  • Edit the draft to reflect my voice, add a sentence or two to emphasize things I wanted to stand out, remove some of the fluff, etc.

It still turned what was probably an hour’s worth of work into 15 minutes, but at least currently you need to understand what you’re doing to use it this way. Specifically, knowing how to outline made it easy to write a concise yet detailed prompt so I could generate what I wanted on the first try.