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Nexus Mods Fine With Bigots Leaving Over Removed Starfield ‘Pronoun’ Mod (kotaku.com)
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[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one is forcing the mod on you. Is it really that harmful that it exists?

Yes, in very much the same way that hate speech is moderated out of communities, and for good reason. Allowing this stuff to exist is basically saying that this is okay when it frankly isn't. Imagine if there was a mod out there that removed your entire race and culture out of the game. How would that make you feel if you were just scrolling through the list of mods? It's just a shitty statement to make.

We moderate things like the N-word and antisemitic Nazi bullshit out of forums all the time. This is the exact same thing and if you can't see that, well frankly you're probably in a position of privilege.

Tolerance goes both ways. I tolerate your beliefs and you tolerate mine.

This argument is frequently used by the intolerant to justify their actions. The one's who identify as they aren't the ones going around telling those who identify as he or she that they're wrong. It's the other way around. You're completely misidentifying who's being intolerant here.

[–] uglyduckling81@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know how to do the cool quote thing you did but I'll answer in order.

  1. I don't care if you want to edit my race out of your game. It has zero effect on me. It's your private game. Why would I care? If I don't like the mod it I just won't install it. I'm never going to intervene to stop you from enjoying your game the way you want just because I don't agree or like it.

This argument is just trying to find reasons to be offended.

I'll give you an example that will definitely trigger you. I play HOI4. That game is a historical WW2 game. The game does not have an accurate flag for Germany because it's symbol is not allowed to be shown in Germany. I always use a mod to put the proper Nazi flag in the game because I want my historical game to be representitive of the period. Denying me the ability to use it doesn't make the historical event suddenly not happen. It happened. Am I suddenly a Nazi supporter because I want my war game to reflect reality?

Im not out Heil Hitlering, or calling for the deaths of millions of Jews. I'm just playing was war game in the privacy of my own home.

  1. I'm not American so the N word has very little meaning to me. I think it's stupid that people can't even write the word without being banned. How are you supposed to talk about it. It's rediculous. If your skin colour is the right shade then you can go around saying the forbidden word at will?? Honestly I'm never going to say it because it's not part of my cultural norm anyway.

In Australia the racist word people used for indigenous was 'coon'. I've never used it and I never will. Ive not even heard anyone use it since maybe the 80s when a kid was trying to be an edgelord. Do I think the word should be banned internationally just because some wankers used it 30+ years ago? No. If you're using it in a hateful way against someone or a people, then sure, that bastard should face some consequences.

I'm just never going to support blanket banning activities or words for everyone because of a few bad actors.

I think that's a terrible idea.

Now we are onto the apparently oppressed rich western people that want to be called some idiotic pronouns like xi, or horse person or some other BS. I'm not doing it. It's too stupid.

If someone wants to be called she instead of he, then whatever, I'll call them it. It causes me no harm and I really don't care. Live your best life.

Blocking a person from modifying their game because you don't like the idea? That's Nazi book burning philosophy right there. If you can't see it irony then I don't know what to say to you. You think your in the right, but your actually to oppressor, even if you think it's with good intentions.

[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you’re using it in a hateful way against someone or a people, then sure, that bastard should face some consequences.

That's exactly what the creator of this mod intended and its hilarious that you don't see that.

In Australia the racist word people used for indigenous was ‘coon’. I’ve never used it and I never will.

Think about it this way. There's a reason why you don't use it, right? There's a reason why your friends don't use it. If one of your friends uses it all the time to hate on others, would you be okay with that? If its as offensive as you say it is and I have no reason to doubt otherwise, would you want to be associated with that? Probably not. You're making conscious decisions every day about who you want to hang out with, who you want to be associated with. You've cultivated your own community of people who you like and want to hang out with.

That's exactly what Nexus Mods is doing. They want to cultivate a community that's gender inclusive. They don't want to deal with people who aren't, nor give them a platform to do so. They're within their right to do so.

Just because Nexus Mods is an online community doesn't mean it's different from real life. That's what people fail to understand.