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My two have grown up and left the nest. I understand how busy things can get. I am following most of what has been said so far. I am finding the legal system a bit convoluted, but then we don't have to deal with federalism in the UK.
LD want PR voting because they recognised FPTP was stopping any third party making an appearance. I want to say they adopted that stance in the 80's, but I have nothing to back that up.
The podcast channel has a huge following in the political circuit across Europe mainly because it is so open and honest. I would guess the reasoning behind the breakdown at the end is to give the invited person a credibility rating. The only time I have disliked this was when they interviewed George Osborne. There was some things said by Osborne that were not 100% right. You could hear how uncomfortable it made Alistair Campbell. I would much rather he called him out, but he didn't. Rory Stewart probably didn't even spot anything wrong as it was the government line at the time, and Rory Stewart was part of the Cameron and Osborne government. These are the two that enabled the BREXIT vote, just for context.
I get the feeling Corbyn is genuine, while being ideologically stupid. To me he comes across as a black and white politician with no grey area being feasible. You cannot work in politics without a middle ground. He said if he was ever PM then he would never use nuclear weapons. He also indicated he would leave NATO. Labour ended up with their lowest ever recorded voting record since Labour first won an election. He wanted to tax the rich very aggressively. This led to Murdoch's media doing a full hatchet job on him.
The Labour party is a broad church of many factions. Corbyn only ever wanted an echo chamber with the people he promoted into positions. This meant he never understood just how bad things were for Labour. He is consistent in that he never believed he did anything wrong. Starmer recognised the damage that Corbyn did to the Labour brand. He was very trigger happy in removing the whip from Corbyn (kick him out of the Labour party). Corbyn's fan base got very upset by this. Diane Abbot is the last of the vocal Corbynites left in the party.
Corbyn has some very dubious history which tarnishes his credibility. He has been known to have discussions with some groups that were considered terrorists to the UK (PLO, IRA as well as some Russian links).
The Russian links / leaving NATO combo is noteworthy. Those are dots I could connect with a crayon after POTUS 45. I liked Corbyn from afar some years ago as an American lefty who tends to be a little black and white himself, but I see all too well the trouble with oversimplification.
PR voting is fine by me and would be a better fit for the UK than FPTP. The one I always stump for is approval voting, which also powers a lot of voter nuance.
Federalism is an area where we would benefit from more simplicity, not more nuance - a lot of it stems ultimately from the civil war and its knock-on effects unfortunately. A lot of baggage, like the 13th amendment, comes to us thanks to the failed reconstruction.
I wish Starmer well in the next election, at any rate. These Tories remind me too much of home, to put it mildly.
Huge alarm bells for anyone who knew the cold war first hand.
I really want to see PR voting in the UK. I would also like to see it in the US just as much. The US is very influential, lots of countries would follow suite. I am also not a fan of how the US workers right are right now.
It can't be overstated. I don't want another Blair Mountain, but we'd be incredibly lucky to have that many people with that much backbone around standing up for workers. Between the legalized prisoner slavery and the relaxed child labor laws in the US these days, it's disappointing that we aren't seeing a more firm resistance from the working class.