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I have a network-wide pi hole and I noticed that it requested activity.windows.com, a url blocked by my pi hole, even while my pc is suspended. I pinged 10.0.0.217 and it is currently unreachable. So, somehow, windows pc’s turn on networking, phones home, and turns off even while suspended.

Creepy behavior

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh god another one of these posts...

When pihole blocks a dns request, devices often keep trying to connect until the connection is successful. So yea, no shit it's ginna keep trying to query that domain repeatedly, including when you're sleeping.

[–] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The thing is, the device was in suspend for a couple days now.

[–] Strykker@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern sleep modes are internet connected, with the intent to allow systems to perform updates while sleeping.

I don't like it but that's how it's designed to work.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

aka S0 sleep/Modern Standby.
It has some legitimate benefits like returning from sleep immediately. Kinda want it on linux but without all the telemetry crap (but it's really, really hard to pull of at an OS level)

[–] gornius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy crap. What are you going to do with these 2 seconds saved?

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Last 2 seconds longer while bangin ur mom

Your username is terrifying

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 3 points 1 year ago

Then just shut it down lol. It's gonna ping windows microsoft domains unless it's actually off.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So, let me grasp your comment, are you saying that this is not creepy at all?

EDIT: To clarify, I find both things creepy, the telemetry and the insistence to ping home no matter what.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 14 points 1 year ago

The fact that windows has so much telemetry is creepy yes. The fact that it will keep trying to ping the domain when blocked is not creepy and is basic tech functionality.

[–] otl@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

are you saying that this is not creepy at all?

Definitely creepy that it phones home in the first place.

But it's not necessarily creepy that it keeps trying; it could just be sloppy programming. Hanlon's Razor comes to mind. Microsoft Teams behaved in a similar way apparently. If you blocked it phoning home at the network level it would buffer gigabytes of data on disk until the disk was full.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can Teams not be run inside Chrome as an addon, preventing this disk space nonsense?

[–] otl@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess so - I've actually never used Teams. There are lots of potential mitigations, but sandboxing is not really a solution to buggy code. For some better engineering discussion on the topic, there's the series of articles Transparent Telemetry, in particular The Design of Transparent Telemetry.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

There actually exist a couple options on Linux, Snap and Flatpak versions of Chrome based browsers. Both of them are sandboxed forms of software packaging.

[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

including when you're sleeping