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[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I love Starfield. My mates love Starfield. It’s Fallout meets No Man’s Sky meets Mass Effect.

It’s just another kick ass Bethesda game in a long list of kick ass Bethesda games IMO.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

its a solid B

75/100

It's good.

It's not earth shattering, its not game of the year.

It scratches that Skyrim RPG itch but in space.

It's less buggy and less crashy than people were expecting.

It's not without its flaws.

It's a solid B

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might be the most concise and accurate review I've seen. Nothing long winded, no excuses, no fanboyism, being fair and holding it up as it is.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

Personally I'd give it like a C or maybe B- at the top. It's fine, but there are so many missing basic quality of life features that should be there.

My biggest gripes are all focused on outposts though. Outposts seemed to be one of the focuses from the marketing material, but they're a pain in the ass to actually use. There's somehow no list of the outposts you have, let alone a way to view what they're producing. Outposts need to be linked together, but there's no way to sort or auto-delete items, so it all eventually will get clogged up with lead, or whatever other resource doesn't get used often. You'll have to manually go through your containers to remove the clog and just dump it on the ground, where it'll remain for the rest of your playthrough. There's no snapping for anything except storage containers and the habitation modules. Everything else has to be placed by hand with manual rotations, so nothing is ever lined up. The alignment will also change after you place an object, so literally nothing will ever be aligned.

I have issues with many other parts of the game too, but outposts seem so incomplete, and somehow generally worse than what we had in FO4. Yet, outposts were prominent in their marketing. How?

[–] timespace@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I’m not sure where you’re from, but in the US a 75/100 is a C. B would be 80-89.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lazz45@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

What, is this Organic Chem?

[–] fritata_fritato@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago

In nz or Australia a C was 50%.

[–] wccrawford@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Where I'm from, 94-100 was an A, so 74-83 was still a C, but it would just squeak by.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

50 > D
60 > C
70 > B
80 > A
90 > A+

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's another subpar Bethesda game in a long line of subpar Bethesda games. Lifeless bland NPCs, tons of glitches, bad gameplay issues, and the same "shallow ocean" criticisms we've been going over since Skyrim.

It's clear to me that Bethesda thinks Skyrim was peak Elder Scrolls, when I think Morrowind was peak Elder Scrolls. Unfortunately, it seems too much to ask for a decent story and interesting side content.

So I just don't buy Bethesda games anymore. I was disappointed in Skyrim, and Fallout 4 wasn't really my thing. It also doesn't help that I don't like the leveling mechanics of RPGs either and tend to prefer ARPGs like Ys and Zelda where leveling isn't a major part of the game loop. I know what Bethesda offers, and it's just not what I'm looking for these days. I play RPGs for story and immersion, not for graphics, character builds, and mods, and Bethesda seems to be more interested in the latter than the former.

But that's what I appreciate from Bethesda. They're pretty consistent at delivering a certain experience, it just so happens that it's not for me.

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

You want bland NPCs then you should play BG3.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Bruh, Bethesda arguably peaked like 20 years ago with Morrowind. Everything else since has been more or less downhill lol.

[–] Dee@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck did you call me you S’wit?! I ain’t no fetcher!

[–] Dee@lemmings.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Their only great game since Morrowind wasn’t even made by them.

[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I will agree, Morrowind was an amazing game.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My guilty pleasure is to install Morrowind again and commit to replaying it, but to instead do another Skyrim playthrough because I just have more fun for some reason.

There's something about the newer Bethesda games. I'll go and install legacy games from other companies all the time for the sense of nostalgia, but despite having beaten almost all of them going back to Arena, if I want a Bethesda game I always end up playing Skyrim or FO4. And now (I presume) Starfield

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 were kickass Bethesda games?

[–] thanevim@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were certainly Bethesda games. I'm not even remotely fond of multiplayer fallout. But for 4, it's a marvelous modding world that I've sunk over a thousand hours into.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

And thanks to their cultish adherence to their engine, I could copy paste some mods between Skyrim and Fallout.

Fallout 4 was a great game, but like Fallout 3, was a terrible Fallout game. Fallout 4 is what Fallout 3 should have been.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the moat insane thing i have ever heard. Or it's some sort of burn because how shit they are.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.cafe 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never played 76, but 4 is one of my favorite games of all time. I think most people who didn't like it were going into it desiring for it to be something it wasn't. What it was impeccably good at was being a scavenging looter shooter with addicting weapon and armor modification and a fun outpost building system that wasn't for me, but did let me make my own little home.

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just wanted a well written rpg. Guess that’s on me.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.cafe 5 points 1 year ago

Definitely not Bethesda's strong suit and not what I go to their games for. Their NPC interaction is made up of tons of awkward TMI introductions and dialogue too quirky to take seriously most of the time. That's a valid criticism, I would not say Fallout 4 is well written. I think it has some interesting premises like the whole synth idea, but not a well executed story.

The only overall story I really thought was good in that game was Paladin Danse's quest chain.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. I completely agree. Fallout 4 is a great looter shooter. If you take it light and breezy you're going to have fun.

It is not an RPG where your actions have impact on the world.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, the same is sorta true with most Bethesda game going back. Short of the atomic bomb in FO3, it's just minor dialog changes most of the time.

I don't get the FO4 hate from the FO3/FO-NV fans. They're all three equivalently immersive.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

this is how I feel about it

[–] KidsTryThisAtHome@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish it was as good as No Man's Sky

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anything is better than No Man Sky, after a trillion updates they still haven’t fixed the one issue the game has. There is only a single planet but a million copies of it with different colors.

[–] KidsTryThisAtHome@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I've seen that's also starfield lol, the same desert planets copy/pasted with different colored smoke/sand

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes but planets like that are realistically quite common. The ones with special features and biomes however are few but quite well done. Really not comparable.

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

And de-synch issues and lack of flight stick support (regardless of steam, who cares about that). Also repetitive missions.

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Really has a Freelancer vipe to it as well.