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No. Just no. Russia is invading. You can't, in good faith, blame the invaded for the casualties. The same way you can't tell a woman that she got beaten because she refused to have sex.
I can understand it's not a black and white issue, but this is the laziest propaganda imaginable. You want to stop the casualties right now? Russia retreats to their territory at this very moment. It's that simple. Keep trying to invade the country won't reduce the casualties. Now you will take your whataboutism card to say it's your time to do some killing. Or say that US allying with Ukraine and Russia taking my force is basically the same.
You think the invasion is rightful so the deaths are in there fault of the defenders? Happy that Russia reports low civilian death ratio? Fantastic, you have now used the same argument that all other atrocities used. I'll also oppose the ones you oppose BTW not only the ones that fit my agenda.
Euromaidan coup with CIA involvement happened in 2013, and we know everything about the leaked call between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt. Ukraine to be called sovereign, without CIA backing, will have to be rolled back upto 2003 (Orange protests sponsored by CIA), and all the "western expansion" rolled back upto the 90s when West broke the Warsaw Pact. Ukraine will have to sign the Minsk agreements. Only then will Russia consider stopping the response. Russia has done aggression in response, and is in no form or shape an initiation, if you have any respect for and know history.
John Mearsheimer has an hour long lecture from 2015 telling the conflict will grow if Ukraine and West do not stop, and his boring lecture has 20-30M views.
So Ukraine has to follow Russian bidding, or else... and whatever happens it's Ukraine's fault for not being obedient.
There you have it. Summarized for you.
Go read Minsk agreements first.
Will Russia invade me if I don't?
Are you the average idiotic redditor, or do you want to academically talk in good faith, trying to understand what is really going on, without any of those "slava ukraini" biases?
Good faith? From point one you have avoided to answer anything, and on order to not be "idiotic" I have to watch a 1 hour video that explains why aaaasaaacksually this invasion is good because Ukraine didn't sign Minsk pact, so of course Russia didn't have to follow Budapest's one. Brilliant.
Please think any atrocity and any war you think shouldn't have been started and there will be academic explanations as to why it's ok to start it.
Bye bye. Ignorance is bliss.