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Why does thermodynamics laws look like a tautology ? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 1 year ago by A_A@lemmy.ca to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca

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1^st^ law of thermodynamics :
There is something that will always be the same.
2^nd^ law of thermodynamics :
Everything else always changes and never will be what it was before.

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[–] Knusper@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't know that the universe was truly created. The concept of things being "created" is something us humans came up with (usually meaning existing atoms are shifted into place for us to then recognize them as a certain object).

We have never observed anything in the universe just popping into existence from nothing, so the least speculative theories assume that the universe did not either pop into existence from nothing.

We do have evidence for the Big Bang, but it's not the creation of the universe, it's rather just the expansion of space (and is still occurring today). Before the Big Bang, the universe must've taken place in a more contracted space, but we don't know what that means in effect.

You could also apply our imprecise human definition of the universe being "created" to mean that everything existed beforehand and it just got shifted into the recognizable universe we know today. That is something the Big Bang did do. I'm really not a fan of that, though, since it obviously confuses people.

Here's a video explaining the Big Bang in more detail: https://tilvids.com/w/9kRqDF9pXrDFprLiAG1hAr
(Unfortunately, the guy does talk of the universe being 'created' at the beginning of the video. Near the end is a more precise definition.)

[–] A_A@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for your time and attention.

We have never observed anything in the universe just popping into existence from nothing (...)

if we did, that would be a major shift in physics. in this regards I heard of (or read of) two candidates :
.1 if universe's expansion continues to accelerate, (it would mean) dark energy is increassing.
.2 an excess of hydrogen (clouds) outside of galaxies was observed that is difficult to explain with current cosmology.

I know these are not direct observation of something popping up, ...but still.

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, dark energy is an interesting theory. I certainly don't understand enough about it to really be able to judge it, but it kind of feels like we're following our human tendency again, to find someone/-thing to blame, without that really aiding the explanation...