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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)
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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Or you know, Russia could just have not attacked in the first place.

Putin is the laughingstock of the world.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Is that why G20 decided not to sanction nor condemn Russia this week?

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of Anglo Nazi world only. Rest of the world respects and is friends with Russia.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's unfortunate.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In reality? Fortunate. Nobody should morally agree with Anglo hegemon until USA, UK, Ukraine and Israel are fully isolated away.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why couldn't he just let Ukraine be then?

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Ukraine did not let Donbass residents be for 8 years since 2014, genociding over 14,000 of them, banning Russian language, cutting off their water, food and electricity supplies and what not constantly. Patrick Lancaster has recorded this shit on YouTube for years, with a vlog frequency of almost daily.

Western media, if you look at their coverage of Ukraine, had the "neo Nazi" moniker slapped everywhere until a few months before the whole conflict started. Donbass people of eastern Ukraine are largely ethnic Russians, and DPR and LPR declared independence and asked for sovereignty as well. Moreover, there were a lot of biochemical factories at the shared border, creating a threat for Russia.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for the genocide claim? I'm not watching years worth of blogs.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pro-Russian source TASS ( https://tass.com/world/1289095) from 2021 citing Ukrainian Foreign Minister's statement:

PRAGUE, May 13. /TASS/. The conflict in Donbass has claimed about 14,000 lives, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said during his working visit to Slovakia.

"To date, about 14,000 people have been killed in Donbass. This number includes [Ukrainian armed forces] servicemen and civilian casualties. We regularly update this data," he said. Kuleba’s speech has been posted on the Slovak Foreign Ministry’s website.

Pro-Ukrainian source detailing the death count, with an ample amount of Russia bashing. https://bitterwinter.org/donbass-did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians/

On January 27, 2022, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights released its most recent estimate of the victims of the Donbass conflict from 2014 to December 31, 2021. The famous figure of 14,000 casualties, often quoted by pro-Russian comments, comes from this document. In fact, the U.N. estimate is between 14,200 and 14,400 victims.

By no means were these victims all “killed by the Ukrainians.” According to the U.N., 10,900 victims were soldiers, of which 4,400 were Ukrainians and 6,500 pro-Russian combatants of or on behalf of the separatist pseudo-republics. Civilian victims were between 3,400 and 3,500. The latter were in turn not all victims of attacks and of drones and rockets launched by Ukraine against the pseudo-republics. In fact, a part died in the portions of the oblasts of Luhansk and Donetsk that remained under Ukrainian control during attacks by separatists.

The genocide part is labelled upon the deaths that happened due to Ukraine's aggression against Donbass residents and the constant border conflicts. Part of the genocide is cultural as well, with the ban on Russian language, among other elements.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Admittedly I do need to do more reading. Thank you for the links.