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The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display

Police officers are gathered in front of the Zeche Zollern museum in Dortmund, the focus of what social networks are describing as a racism scandal.

The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display. For several months now, Saturdays at the museum have been reserved for black people and people of colour to explore a colonialism exhibition

The museum claims the objective is not to be discriminatory, but to reserve a safe space for reflection for non-whites.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would love to go to an exhibit on colonialism and its vast crimes, and I am upset by the matter on principle. I don't know why everyone is suddenly interested in running apologia for racial segregation.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not unavailable to you. You can pick literally any other time but that four hours, like any other well adjusted adult would do.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s not unavailable to you. You can pick literally any other time but that four hours, like any other well adjusted adult would do.

You would say this, then, about a whites only 4 hours at the same museum, then, right?

[–] Andjhostet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you this opposed to women's shelters not allowing men in order to provide a safe space for women?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

No, because women's shelters are not a public venue to begin with.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, as that would be completely ignorant of the contextual reality of the situation.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

'Context' is not a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card. Malcolm X's pre-Mecca racism, for example. was far, far less heinous than the racism of the America he lived in due to context - but that does not mean it wasn't bad. Likewise, othering a race with benevolent intent is still, at its core, othering a race of human beings.

And in any case, the point is meant to refute the idea that "you can pick literally any other time". That you can pick another time does not mean that the circumstances which force you to do so are right. Even if you still think it is correct to continue this practice, that "It's only 4 hours" is not a valid argument regarding whether the principle of the thing is moral or not.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you also consider affirmative action racism? Is women's sports blocking male competitors misandry?

There's a world where this could be racist, but it's not the one we live in yet.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Do you also consider affirmative action racism?

No

Is women’s sports blocking male competitors misandry?

Misandry is a strong word for it, but I would say it's not ideal. Of course, there's also the broader issue of the most physical sports being, by their nature, a discriminatory (in the most literal, not moral, sense of the word) endeavor, from weight to height to genetics, and since I'm not a big sports person to begin with, I try not to have strong opinions on the subject.

I do have strong opinions on non-physical sports with separate women's divisions, and especially those which bar women from participating in non-women's divisions.

[–] earthling@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“The other water fountain is right there, boy.”

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice false equivalence. That's not what's going on here.

[–] earthling@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just letting you know what you sound like.

Take a moment to think about what brought you to defend discrimination based on skin color. Then consider if that’s a positive for humanity.

Here I thought we settled this bullshit already but I guess some have some catching up to do. We really were too lax on the South when we beat their ass.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My dude, you are getting baited by the people you're decrying. This policy is affirmative action to help get minority groups who otherwise might not go in to see the exhibit. It's attempting to address structural issues by carving out a safe space for the victims of colonialism. It IS a form of discrimination, as is affirmative action in general, but the purpose and intent is positive. It is neither segregation nor racism.

If you don't believe me, I'd urge you to consider who ran this news piece, and what their motivations might have been. When you call this racism, you yourself are siding with racists.

[–] earthling@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No I’m simply living my morals consistently regardless of who’s being harmed.

Which is more than you can say.