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I mean I guess you can go all Fountainhead and just live in the woods. Of course, you'll probably die if you don't do any work, but you definitely have a choice.
No, you actually can't do that. You'll go to jail when they catch you. Unless you have a shitload of money to buy property and cover the taxes on it for the rest of your life, you can't just leave society and live in the wilderness and expect not to be persecuted for it.
do you think it is possible to make a genuine choice under such coercion?
I think that when you deny individuals agency by assuming they are brainwashed, then it's difficult to have democracy.
And I think when you don't butter your bread, the sandwich tastes shit and dry
Now, are we finished making irrelevant statements?
You should get a bread maker.
i don’t see how this answers my question
and under which conditions can we even have genuine choice?
in general, we can make genuine choice when we are presented with several good options and there's minimal pressure to choose a specific one. (i know the term "good" is vague, it depends on the specifics of the situation.) in the context of what we're talking about, a genuine choice could be made if people didn't depend on their job for housing, food, or healthcare.
it's not only about choosing between working and not working. it's also about giving people more flexibility to choose a job they would like to do. workers have much less control over their working conditions when they're effectively forced to always have a job.