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The premise here is kinda blurred, but I think it does exist and goes something like that:
Is it wrong? Is it right? I think the anwser lies somewhere in between.
However one that is not established and I think it should be written down is one that my pops used to say:
The main thing that is overlooked is that people who don't work still contribute to society in ways that don't align with capitalism. Not all art needs to be bought and sold. A ton of care is provided for free instead of through a job. A community cleaning up a common space without exchanging money is still contributing to society.
I wouldn't even consider a lot of things that do align with capitalism to be contributing to society. Most advertising for example.
Damn straight. I'm an artist and I don't sell my art cause I don't like having a transactional relationship with someone.
Totally agree, but there will always be outliers in any standard system being it socialism, capitalism and everything in between.
And to measure contributions of such outliers is a problem hard to solve, problem that hurts such outliers more than everyone else.
I stand on the two statements above, but as you pointed out there are still problems and solutions must be found.
There’s a difference between contributing to society by performing productive or helpful labor, and the sort institutionalized wage slavery we currently call “work.”
Most of us are subject to the tyranny of the clock, petty bosses, arbitrary rules about where we work or how we dress. This is what we never opted into and can opt out only after a lifetime of it or at great cost in terms of our ability to provide the necessities for ourselves.
Anarchist Bob Black explores this distinction in his essay, The Abolition of Work. I recommend reading it.
True, but honestly I think the only solution to such wage slavery is basic universal income, which is something truly hard to achieve in my ignorant eyes.
Once people feel/know that they can go on without a job, those who do have one, either because they want more or want to dive and contribute back to a certain area, would not subject to unfair conditions regulating everything in and related to work from
Thanks for the recommendation will give it a look.