This is a weird take when "really rich guys doing depraved things" is a recurring villain trope across an awful lot of comic books and take up a huge portion of the narrative. Insane wealth is often framed so powerfully in these contexts that sometimes it can parallel superpowers.

The green goblin and doc oc are just really rich guys that do fucked up things! It's implies that spidey puts goons and henchmen into the justice system because of course he does, what else is he going to do? His other options are killing them or just letting them get away with whatever the insane rich guy wants to do, which is often some kind of terror attack on NYC. And those both suck too.

Spidey is too busy trying to literally prevent some business tycoon from idk opening a demon portal under central park to also advocate for prison reform.

Just let the stories be fun.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The villains appear after the fact.

Spider-man, the Batman all the rest fight crime because (generic) crime is the problem. As with James Bond and SPECTER (SPECTRE?), there's a point when the USSR and the cold war was too complicated to be an easy-to-punch baddie, even with the gulags and tanking, so James Bond got a Moriarty, a nemesis to fight instead. The superhero rogues galleries are what happens once it becomes awkward that all the superhero does, is as Garth Ennis put it beat up poor people. And so Jokers and Doc Ocs and Red Skulls are invented when the real Nazis are no longer a threat.

When we stick superheroes into the modern western world, the pretense is that the system mostly works, essentially that Ronald Reagan isn't around gutting social programs, turning prisons into (pretty literal) gulags, fueling the war on drugs and otherwise making the federal and state justice systems into even more of a system of oppression than they were after prohibition (specifically to target non-whites, at that). In the DC and Marvel worlds, police are not overly brutal. Prisons are not overwhelmingly unhumanitarian (nor are they impacted). And yes, criminals really did make some avoidable bad life choices (rather than IRL getting steered into the school-to-prison pipeline).

Though the silver age, the system ran by magic capitalism, even as IRL industries were capturing the regulatory agencies that were supposed to prevent them from driving precarity and poverty to 80%+ of the nation (and thereby fueling the white Christian nationalist movement that is taking over the federal government and many states today).

Through the dark age (that is 1985-1995-ish), Batman sometimes killed, but Frank Miller noted that the thugs were so awful that they deserved it. The criminal element were painted as literal undesirables you could do anything to without moral concern. Sure, Arkham Asylum was a literal dungeon and the jails were infested with rats, lice and scabies (as they are IRL) but it was okay not to give half a fuck about the inmates, because we know what they did.

And yes, even when the current MCU villains have a point, they are obligated to offer a solution that involves decimating the public, so that they can be waved away as too radical, and the Avengers can go back to serving the establishment plutocracy (and not the public). Heck, even Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias in Watchmen ) killed half of New York in order to stop a nuclear holocaust.

[+] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

If being able to point out the biases within a medium sucks the fun out of it, then there are bigger problems that belie the medium... or the fun.

To be fair, the biases of comics are typical throughout movies and television as well. As I noted elsewhere, the GCPD in Gotham what is supposed to be the nadir of police corruption is actually less corrupt and more concerned about public welfare then every police department in the United States. Considering all the content produced by Dick Wolf consumed by Americans, it's no wonder we have cognitive dissonance when we see video footage of real-life officers gunning down detained suspects or escalating non-violent incidents.

There are many ways to approach this. My wife still enjoyed true crime television recognizing that the world portrayed is not the one we live in. You can continue to read comics, but look for ones that take steps to move the dialog forward. It's what some folks did regarding the wizard game.

You can also look to recognize that you are really in a cyberpunk dystopia in which our plutocratic masters want to keep you harmless and then exploit you as a laborer or soldier until you are depleted and need to be replaced, and your own story is how you break out of that paradigm. So there's grounds in all our lives for hero stories.