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that time Scott told the rationalists how adderall would turn them into geniuses of finance and even named specific rationalists he thought should get into adderall (slatestarcodex.com)

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this btw is why we now see some of the TPOT rationalists microdosing street meth as a substitute. also that they're idiots, of course.

somehow this man still has a medical license

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[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ok. But this part is pretty reasonable:

Think about how wasteful all of this is. We throw people in jail for using Adderall without a prescription. We expel them from colleges. We fight an expensive and bloody War on Drugs to prevent non-prescription-holders from getting Adderall. We create a system in which poor people need to stretch their limited resources to make it to a psychiatrist so they can be prescribed Adderall, in which people without health insurance can never get it at all, in which DEA agents occasionally bust down the doors of medical practices giving out Adderall illegally.

It's absolute bullshit that I can't buy amphetamine at my corner store if I want to. Yes, it's probably bad in the long-run. But I fucking want it.

Edit to add more substance: I also believe without evidence that "ADHD" is a lingering result of the transition of humanity to a sedentary lifestyle, but some are better equipped to deal with it than others. The whole binary of "You have ADHD" and "You don't" is utter nonsense made up by the prohibition state to justify medicating people with amphetamine.

[–] self@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

as a long-term supporter of the idea that folk should be able to just get high if they want to, it’s incredibly hard to square my beliefs with the existence of a person like Scott, especially having directly dealt with the outcomes of Scott’s advice amongst folks I have worked with

in general, the capitalist idea that even getting high needs to have utility has led to the normalization of some of the worst drug culture I’ve ever seen, from the can of worms that is lifestyle microdosing to some much worse shit than that

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

I made the mistake of assuming that my experience with LSD would be the same as anybody else's. Prior to that, I'd known that if you all drink whisky, you all get drunk, you all feel dizzy and you all start slipping around. So I presumed, mistakenly, that everybody who took LSD was a most enlightened being. And then I started finding that there were people who were just as stupid as they'd been before, or people who hadn't really got any enlightenment except a lot of colours and lights and an Alice in Wonderland type of experience.

— George Harrison, quoted on page 179 of the Beatles Anthology

[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't finished the video yet but wow, that was truly shocking. I used to think that psychedelic experiences nudge people to be "better" in some abstract sense that I will not define, but now I see that what I thought was completely wrong.

Education, not prohibition is still my stance; for every Scott encouraging people to take amphetamine, there should be someone who can eloquently describe how it turns you into a soulless focused monster who disregards everything except the goal of the minute, including pesky concerns such as hydration, nutrition, and social interaction. Just like everything else, it's a tool.

[–] bcdavid@hachyderm.io 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@sinedpick @self Just referring to your comment (haven't watched the video) I completely agree that there is a view among some crowds that psychedelic experiences have moral and psychological benefits in and of themselves. Which is definitely not the case, and can lead some people to some real bad places.

[–] acb@mastodon.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, amphetamine is as different from psychedelics (such as LSD and psilocybin) as cocaine is.

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it’s true, if you’re not careful extended reliance on acid and mushrooms can make you an even more annoying megalomaniac

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think people should go to jail because they want to get high. But, separately, taking a pill, especially timed release, shouldn't be getting you high, and the people who need adhd meds to function I know certainly don't act like they're experiencing euphoria.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

cheesus. dude spends entire hour explaining how chemicals have no political inclination, in particular no leftist inclination and how he absolutely have never done acid ever, for legal purposes and only at the end you learn he's shilling NFTs

[–] self@awful.systems 4 points 1 year ago

I’d be very surprised if that were the case, given this is the description of the $4.20 tier of Chill Goblin’s patreon:

VERY chill. You just bought yourself a Chilled Gobbo NFG, which is like an NFT except it's just a picture I have saved on a google gallery. I'll rename the one you pick with your username so everyone will know EXACTLY who it belongs to. I'm hoping one day Chilled Gobbo NFGs will replace both money and art, by donating at this level you will be helping my dream come true!

it’s not high parody (heh heh) but it’s pretty clear he’s not an NFT fan

[–] maol@awful.systems 3 points 1 year ago

The problem is not that people who don't have health insurance can't get Adderall. The problem is that there are people who cannot get regular healthcare because they don't have health insurance. If you made adhd medication (adderall isn't the only one) available over the counter tomorrow, there would still be deaths, damage, disablement and addiction caused by drug use unless all those users also had access to decent harm reduction based healthcare.