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[–] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

At that point at his age you may as well just go for broke. I'd do the same thing. Leave a legacy. Cement your family name in the history books.

What else are you gonna do? Not like the uber wealthy lack for luxury and entertainment. Billionaires get bored and start doing things like submarines and space tourism.

Anyhow, obviously there is no clear distinction between "winning" and "losing" unless we define a clear set of qualifications. If we were to define "how well is Trump dominating the Republican party" he is absolutely winning.

Remember some short months ago him and DeSantis were neck and neck in the polls. Now Trump has shot ahead and DeSantis might even lose his #2 spot to an Indian.

Trump is going to win the Republican primary. This much is clear unless he has a stroke.

Criminal charges will ultimately do nothing to stop him and would probably help him. His base is now convinced there is a concerted effort by the state to hold him down. And to be honest, they're not wrong.

I don't think these indictments would have happened if Trump didn't have a serious chance to win in 2024. It's too risky. It's what really worries me. Feels like an attempt at a hail mary pass. If the establishment is so concerned they're willing to take these types of risks, the future is very uncertain.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At that point at his age you may as well just go for broke. I’d do the same thing.

No offense but I seriously doubt it. At 78 years old you'll probably just be hanging out, not trying to commit as many crimes as you can. I can't read the future or anything, but I think Trump's legacy is going to be one of unprecedented corruption and selfishness.

If we were to define “how well is Trump dominating the Republican party” he is absolutely winning.

He's certainly winning the Republican primary in terms of polling and fundraising, no question about it. But skipping the debate was a sign of vulnerability, projecting to everyone that he and his team believe that he has everything to lose and nothing to gain by going. In order to win a game of tug-o-war, you gotta keep pulling though, and I'm not sure that any of this helps him in a general election especially as there are many more shoes to drop.

Criminal charges will ultimately do nothing to stop him and would probably help him. His base is now convinced there is a concerted effort by the state to hold him down. And to be honest, they’re not wrong.

I don’t think these indictments would have happened if Trump didn’t have a serious chance to win in 2024. It’s too risky. It’s what really worries me. Feels like an attempt at a hail mary pass. If the establishment is so concerned they’re willing to take these types of risks, the future is very uncertain.

This is a conspiracy theory. It makes perfect sense if you don't think about it too hard.

Trump has been indicted in 3 different and unrelated cases so far: 2020 election interference with the goal of overturning a democratic election (federal and state charges in Georgia), mishandling of classified documents (federal charges), and finally hush money payments to Stormy Daniels as campaign action in 2016 (New York). In each case there is a significant pile of evidence against him, and in each case due process has been upheld. 4 separate grand juries have now seen fit to charge him and these cases are going to trial.

Unfortunately for Trump, he is a high profile criminal and his legal woes are very, very real. Presidents should not be above the law, and that goes for ex-presidents as well. He could be on his death bed and a lot of people, including myself, would still want to see him brought to justice for the crimes he has committed against our country.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People like Trump or Biden aren't built like regular people. Me or you at 78 would have put our hat down a decade prior. But these guys feel some sort of need to continue, for whatever reason.

And as long as they can a) speak with lucidity and charisma and b) make decisions then they are fine. Any hard work is done by advisors.

Skipping the debate I think was probably the right move. If he gets on stage, he's one guy in a crowd of many having to wait his turn to speak. In addition he could get difficult questions about his legal position for example.

By doing the interview with Tucker Carlson not only is he cementing this weird alliance between Carlson / Elon / Trump but he's basically saying "I'm not a part of the establishment" which is a main pull from his supporters

I think the recent indictments happening now, right before Republican primaries and election season starts in ernest, and not two years ago, shows there are people pulling strings in the back here.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but I've seen it in my home country of Brazil. A president conspired with members of the judiciary to charge an ex-president with a crime and got him in prison.

There are many corrupt people in Brazil who did not get charged. You see what I mean? The fact Lula went to prison was politically motivated. And it's not a conspiracy- he was eventually released because it was proven in court that it was politically motivated. Just because a system has checks and balances against this type of thing doesn't mean it's immune. Enough pressure and everything breaks. And where there's incentive to put pressure, people with power will do so

I think Trump should answer for his crimes- no president should be above the law. But I also doubt this ends well for us as a country. We're in a position where all paths lead to hell. You put such a figure like Trump in jail right before a tight election and there will be consequences. Regardless of whether it's justified or not.

And it will be tight. Last I checked polling in a hypothetical Biden v Trump was a coin flip. Unfortunately for Biden, the record inflation along with increasing interest rates will seriously hurt his chances at re-election. He obviously has that historical incumbent advantage - but so did Trump.