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So my car is no longer a private space .
Your car also isn't a private space when the kid you just hit goes through your windscreen because you were doing 10 over the limit while looking at your phone
Are parents letting kids play on motorways these days?
Doesn't matter, you still can't run them over
Yes I can, the AI is trained to detect users not wearing seatbelts and those being on their phones. Never has it seen my hydrogen powered snowplow-bearing vehicle that glides through street playing kids like a hot knife through butter at a summer bbq. Those photos shouldn't get sent back for review.
Would be nice if my privacy and road safety were related issues, but they are not.
It’s absolutely trivial to make a car that physically couldn’t exceed the speed limit, or would not start until the driver is secure, or the phone is stowed, or threat did not had multi level menus in touch screen nave.
instead they build infrastructure to have AI take and analyse photographs of us.
You need to give it a bit more thought.
Your car is a private space for the most part—put up those fuzzy dice even if they could block your view. U wanna turn your music so high you can’t hear a siren? Go for it—for the most part. Your driveway and any road you wanna put on your property is also a private space.
A shared road is not private. That’s the issue here. The question for regulators and governments is: How do you make sure everybody is reasonably safe without recalling billions of cars to have the “trivial” changes you proposed?
Sometimes that’s good old fashioned seat belts. Sometimes that’s Ai. Could be a speed bump. Privacy really doesn’t apply here—you’re in a public space.
If a shared road is not private how come radar detectors are usually illegal? You are in public picking up radio signals. Clearly there is no expectation of privacy when you are sending out radio waves in a shared area.
Great point
Each individual driver is not entirelly self-contained in their motivations and the way they drive, with no influence from what happens to other drivers around them.
Privacy and road safety are definitelly linked, because there is a systemic effects to more effective enforcement of driving rules, both because drivers fear getting caught a lot more (because they know somebody who knows somebody who got caugh) and because people tend to drive like those around them (it's one thing to be the rule breaker amongst widespread rule breaking, it's another being the rule breaker amongst widespread rule compliance).
Now, privacy lowered for the sake of something other than enforcing the rules (or if there is an alternative way of achieving the same that does not break people's privacy), that's a whole different thing, but if the reason is to catch rule-breakers it will most definitelly lead to lives saved because there will be people who now drive within the rules because they fear getting caught who would otherwise have driven in ways that endanger others.
To quote you: "You need to give it a bit more thought."
That ship has sailed a long time ago. Tons of cars on the roads now have built-in cameras. Cameras that are ultimately under centralized control of the car manufacturer.