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You Americans should get to this century and start performing digital strong authentications like the rest of us. Sending picture of your ID to anyone is insane :)
How we do it here in Finland is that there are digital identity providers which use bank/mobile carrier to identify you. They then use MFA when identifying you. Any service can use these services to do strong authentication for you. And they don't cost anything for the customer, and is really cheap for the company who wants to identify you. It is also build into the law that you must identify people using these, to avoid identity theft.
We're still trying to decide if slavery was wrong give us some time
Half our country thinks that would be the mark of the Beast or some shit.
We have that
How doss your bank identify you?
When you walk in, the guy goes "hey Sam! I tupped your mom the other night."
By the card they issued me when I opened the account.
But how did they authenticate your identity when you opened the account? I'd not trying to be an arse - but at some point it will likely have come back to matching some official photo id against your face.
It's not like the bank KEEPS your ID
They once identify you from your driver's license, government id card or passport. After that you for example link your smart phone to you, and you use their app when you identify.
You can also use mobile carriers, they send a push notification directly to you phone+sim. Not sure what protocol they use here, because it opens up an UI which is plain android, and asks pin.
Everything relays on chain of trust that since one service has identified you, the next can trust too. Plus there is MFA to verify that you actually made the identification request.
The initial argument was ‘sending is to anyone is insane’ but that’s what you do with the bank. Yes it’s only once - but that’s the same as the other systems we are taking about here.
They don't accept it remote, only face-to-face. I have done it once, 15 years ago. Face-to-face is actually only way to do it to avoid identity theft.
Interesting, so your answer to identity authentication is it is it shouldn’t ultimately be done to do remotely and that everyone needs to queue at the counter.
Meanwhile the UK gov remote system seems to work rather well https://appadvice.com/app/gov-uk-id-check/1629050566
You do that once in your lifetime, and never after that.
Until you change banks, mobile phone provider or visit another country and want a local SIM
The other bank and other mobile provider identifies you through the another one. I am able to identify through two different banks and mobile provider, and have not in 15 years done it onprem. I do strong digital authentication generally once or twice a week.
Edit: last time was actually when I took house mortgage 13 years ago, and switched bank. Not really a issue to show ID onprem when talking 200k€.
So, to be clear - if you ever need to renew government documentation or get access to government systems (benefits or taxes), the government doesn’t ask to see government ID - it outsources that to bank procedures from n years ago?
Practical sense yes, I accessed my tax info today, and strongly authenticated through my mobile provider. It took me 2 seconds and there was MFA included in the process.
Edit: here is Finnish Cyber Security Centers article how the process works: https://www.kyberturvallisuuskeskus.fi/en/our-activities/regulation-and-supervision/electronic-identification
It is defined in Finnish law that all services must use this mechanisms
Looks like initial submission of identity documents can be done electronically - not necessarily in-person.
Yes, I noticed also that they have included this support now also.
I mean that's how it's like here in the States too. Show your paperwork at registration and that's it.
I have done it once, 15 years ago, after that I have never needed to go it again.