“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

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[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's a great thought process, instead of emigrating from Ireland to the UK, ask the UK to invade Ireland so you don't have to move and can live with your English buddies. Wtf. Respect borders, move if your country allegiance changes

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

What are you even on, dude? There wasn't hard border between Russia and Ukraine for Ukraine's entire existence as a state until the destruction of the USSR. People should flee when their own country decides to kill them? That is actual, real, literal ethnic cleansing and/or genocide?

Are you seriously saying that all the Russian speaking Ukrainians should have fled Ukraine when the Rada started sending death squads in to the Donbass? Are you really saying that?:

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lmao taking the side of the Brits over the IRA is a fucking amazing take. Tiocfaidh ár lá

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[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it is, isn't it? That's what russian speakers are doing, this just keeps getting better and better.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's literally the opposite. they're in the position of Northern Ireland, in this analogy.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, I was talking about Ireland, the country.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's a real conflict you knob. the actual history is exactly the opposite and it's a great fucking analogy that's going straight over your head.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, but why cant some dude in Ireland call up his English friends to add bits of Ireland to Northern Ireland? The possibilities are endless without borders just the way putin likes. Or maybe Switzerland or Belgium can join France...I can just keep listing countries that speak the same language as their neighbour that could be invaded to "save the speakers". Hitler invaded Poland on that pretext too, it's super versatile.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

mate, the Brits literally colonized Ireland and the actual direction people want to go is towards Ireland. there was a real reuinfication conflict. posing a ahistorical hypothetical that's precisely the opposite of the actual lived reality is fucking hilarious. what you're saying effectively amounts to "if the Irish in Northern Ireland want to join Ireland so badly, why don't they simply move there", which is fucking insane and precisely the point I've been making for a half dozen comments.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

THis probably isn't worth it. Gsus is either taking the piss or not clever or knowledgeable enough to follow you.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I know, I'm just amused by the very-intelligent takes

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You can twist my careless example of a translinguistic border in every direction to represent what you want, apparently in this case you're making Ireland to be russia here, but I can say the UK represents russia...which is still different from:

Ukraine was already independent in 1993 without DNRs+LPRs and there was a referendum which settled the matter according to russia too, only for russia to come back 20 years later for Crimea and then for the Donbas by force.

If you want to be russian after 20 years of settled internationally recognized borders and peace, you can move there, because that's not how borders or international law work.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I'm pointing out the similarities with a group that shares language and culture with the parent nation wishing to rejoin the parent nation. those borders have also been "settled". and yet the only conscionable choice is to support the separarists. the other poster is right, you are too dense to understand history and its lessons.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

And, again, are you suggesting the Russian speaking population of Ukraine, who have lived their for at least decades, should have fled the country when the coup Rada declared their language illegal?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Why do you think a nation, any nation, would give up a strategic port and major naval facility to it's enemies without a fight?

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pro-ethnic cleansing apologia from feddit dot nl