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Just an fyi, defederation doesn't mean you as a user can't see any content from a given instance or vice versa. It's more like from the time of defederation, users on the other Lemmy can't be seen commenting or posting on your Lemmy. I believe there are other consequences too, but it's not as straightforward as a ban.
Defederation is a feature, not a bug. Lemmy was designed with the idea that instances could be more specific in thier content, so for your lemmy to defederate from a Ukraine war footage instance might not be a condemnation, so much as a curation decision.
Think of it like, an instance has the potential to be either a reddit alternative or a collection of related subreddits.
yeah, I think beehaw is in the right to decide this part of feature and it's up to the server admins. User can choose how they want to respond to that as well and I've seen different reaction as well.
If anyone wants to see just how hard it is to maintain lemmy in current state, just hop over to "All" and set the sorting to "New". For the record, during the past couple days, I already blocked 14 bot accounts and 9 community that used bots. I had to because other wise I can't discovery communities I might have interested in when browsing "All". And that's also after some work that was put in by the lemmy.ca admin.
And, if you don't want all the drama, you can always spin up your instance or join a less populated server.
That's what I did. I get to federate or defederate with whatever instances I want, and as long as I'm not a dickhead, no one will defederate me.
How do you block instances yourself? I had anime bestiality porn popping up on "All" earlier, and would like to not have that as part of my normal browsing experience.
You can't block instance as a user, but you can either block the spam box account, or visit the instance and list all their current communities and then add all of them to your block list.
This is one of the user end feature that really should exist.(it's on the github issue list already.)
Or in this case, it is an ego driven crybaby fest because someone got jealous other instances got big.
I can see how it may appear that way, but we are hoping this is just a temporary state until mod and admin tools can catch up to the scale. Open signups and a flood of users in some of the big instances is not necessarily a problem by itself, but the moderation tools Lemmy has today are pretty rudimentary at the moment. This is certainly the case intra-instance, but is exacerbated once cross-instance moderation comes into play, especially when each instance has its own culture, rules, etc.
Yeah, that's how I took it too. Beehaw never pretended to be anything but a close knit community that prides itself on positive interactions. Defederating from larger instances made sense for them because they couldn't maintain that vibe given the current state of Lemmy. Hopefully, as these platforms mature, they can reconsider.
i don't see how this would logically follow—wouldn't our course of action if we wanted this to be something like opening registrations? we very much don't have a shortage of people clamoring to get in here—our backlog is 4,500—and if anything we're worried about too many people, not too few. we simply have no interest in growth at all costs, and we were... honestly pretty fine with being a 700-user instance before the big blowup here. certainly it'd have been less stressful, lol
https://beehaw.org/post/567170?scrollToComments=true
C'mon the thread is pretty clear and detailed as are the admin's responses in the thread explaining what happened, why it happened, why they unplugged, and why they wish they didnt have to.
It's not a complete ban, but it does mean that you'll stop updating with new posts and comments. Users from elsewhere won't see any new content on their copy of a beehaw post, and you won't see any new content from a Defederated instance.